Rethinking Homosexuality

Anon-Voter wrote:

I sincerely doubt you have any professional experience or you wouldn't be saying what you are. You're a fraud!

Anon

Doubt all that you wish. It's as true as you are sitting there.

I maintain that suicide is an irrational, tragic act. You make light of it, calling it a 'blessing'.

Your view of suicide is a disgusting spectacle. Do you think a professional attitude toward suicide would mirror your own attitude? Any professional who took the attitude that you have exhibited would be a poor excuse.

real life wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

I sincerely doubt you have any professional experience or you wouldn't be saying what you are. You're a fraud!

Anon

Doubt all that you wish. It's as true as you are sitting there.

I maintain that suicide is an irrational, tragic act. You make light of it, calling it a 'blessing'.

Your view of suicide is a disgusting spectacle. Do you think a professional attitude toward suicide would mirror your own attitude? Any professional who took the attitude that you have exhibited would be a poor excuse.

You are a fraud, period!

Anon

Anon-Voter wrote:

real life wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

I sincerely doubt you have any professional experience or you wouldn't be saying what you are. You're a fraud!

Anon

Doubt all that you wish. It's as true as you are sitting there.

I maintain that suicide is an irrational, tragic act. You make light of it, calling it a 'blessing'.

Your view of suicide is a disgusting spectacle. Do you think a professional attitude toward suicide would mirror your own attitude? Any professional who took the attitude that you have exhibited would be a poor excuse.

You are a fraud, period!

Anon

Shout louder, with more emphasis. Maybe use bold letters and all caps.

Then maybe some will forget that you haven't yet provided a scintilla of evidence to back your position, but instead rely on baseless personal attacks.

If you spent half as much effort trying to show any factual basis for your position maybe you would have some credibility.

Show us one quote, just one from a medical professional, mental health professional or counselor, law enforcement official or educator stating that suicide committed as a result of social interaction is a 'blessing' , or has any positive aspect to it whatsoever. Jack Kevorkian wouldn't even take your case.

real life wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

real life wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

I sincerely doubt you have any professional experience or you wouldn't be saying what you are. You're a fraud!

Anon

Doubt all that you wish. It's as true as you are sitting there.

I maintain that suicide is an irrational, tragic act. You make light of it, calling it a 'blessing'.

Your view of suicide is a disgusting spectacle. Do you think a professional attitude toward suicide would mirror your own attitude? Any professional who took the attitude that you have exhibited would be a poor excuse.

You are a fraud, period!

Anon

Shout louder, with more emphasis. Maybe use bold letters and all caps.

Then maybe some will forget that you haven't yet provided a scintilla of evidence to back your position, but instead rely on baseless personal attacks.

If you spent half as much effort trying to show any factual basis for your position maybe you would have some credibility.

Show us one quote, just one from a medical professional, mental health professional or counselor, law enforcement official or educator stating that suicide committed as a result of social interaction is a 'blessing' , or has any positive aspect to it whatsoever. Jack Kevorkian wouldn't even take your case.

We're through talking about it on this thread, which doesn't deal with suicide.

Anon

Open your mind.

Here you go, real life, go to town.

WHO - quantifiying selected major risks to health

Not sure you're going to appreciate where that all leads.

real life wrote:

Open your mind.

Ironic, that.

real life wrote:

Open your mind.

Ironic, that.

real life wrote:

Open your mind.

Ironic, that.

Risk Factors in GLBT Youth Suicide, compiled by Paul Gibson, L.I.C.S.W.

General: Awareness or identification of same-sex feelings at a relatively early age, sometimes even acceptance of homosexual orientation. Often conflicts with others related to this orientation, and/or problems in same-sex relationships.

Society: Discrimination/oppression of gays and lesbians by society. Portrayals or representations of homosexuals in the society as self destructive or hurtful to others.

Poor Self Esteem: Internalization of society's notions of LGBTs as sick, self destructive, sinful, spreaders of disease, molesters of children, and pathetic.

Identity Conflicts: Denial of same-sex feelings or orientation. Despair in recognition of same-sex orientation.

Family: Perceived or actual rejection, abuse, harassment of child due to LGBT orientation. Child's feelings of failure to meet parental/societal expectations.

Religion: Child's LGBT orientation seen as incompatible with family's religious beliefs in which youths feel sinful or condemned.

School: Harassed and/or abused by peers (and sometimes faculty and staff). Lack of supportive peers and adults, role models, and accurate information about LGBT life in the classroom.

Social Isolation: Stemming from rejection or fear of rejection by peers and family, social withdrawal, loneliness, and inability to meet others like themselves.

Substance Abuse: Substance use to relieve the pain of oppression and loneliness and to reduce inhibitions of same-sex feelings.

Professional Help: Inability or unwillingness to discuss issues related to same-sex feelings, and/or forced treatment to change LGBT orientation.

Questioner wrote:

real life wrote:

Open your mind.

Ironic, that.

Quite.

Questioner wrote:

real life wrote:

Open your mind.

Ironic, that.

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

real life wrote:

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

real life wrote:

In the Bible, God does regard homosexual acts as sin.

Only male homosexual acts, may I point out. From what I've seen, God couldn't care less if girls go at it.

Hi Wolf,

That is incorrect. The Bible regards homosexual acts as sin, whether male or female.

*sigh*

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:21-23;&version=31;77;16;74;65;

The above search in five different Bible copies, says otherwise. I'll come up with more evidence from the other available copies and from that other passage in the New Testament, when I have the time.

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Which of the six researchers who produced this study was a homophobe (how do you propose to show this?) and can you document that this individual was kicked out of an Association? (Was it a medical or scientific Association? Or maybe a Homes Association? Your accusation is pretty vague and comes off sounding anecdotal.)

And what about the other five?

You'll have to tell me. I thought you were referring (like you did the last time this conversation came up) to Paul Cameron, whom was discredited. Show us the studies and then I'll be able to tear it apart properly (which is I'm sure, what you are asking for me to do).

Also, neologist, where's your evidence?

From my experience, I can tell you that we're pretty much a healthy group of people.

Hi Wolf,

I don't remember ever discussing Cameron. Perhaps you can provide a link? Or maybe you were discussing with someone else?

You could check here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9222793&dopt=Abstract

for a brief treatment of one study that is pertinent.

Professional my fuzzy butt!!

BTW I still think that sex out of marraige is not a good thing.