Rethinking Homosexuality

real life wrote:

Lash wrote:

Thanks for setting yourself up!

Sources

Why do you hate gays?

Why do you incorrectly assume this?

probably just a wild guess not unlike "I guess the sun will come up tomorrow"

real life wrote:

Lash wrote:

Thanks for setting yourself up!

Sources

Why do you hate gays?

Why do you incorrectly assume this?

probably just a wild guess not unlike "I guess the sun will come up tomorrow"

You produced it for me.

You are seen for what you are.

No further requirements.

Care to give us a hint which of the several dozen links actually reference suicide and homosexuality?

Some more research and numbers <lots of links in the article as well to the sources of numbers>

Sociology of Death: Suicide

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The very field of sociology was in part founded on the discovery that suicide rates are as much a sociological phenomenon as they are psychological.

Around the turn of the century, French sociologist Emile Durkheim found that single people were more likely to be victims than married individuals, Protestants more likely than Catholics, urban residents more likely than rural folks. Arguing that suicide was related to the nature of the bonds between self and society, Durkheim argued that either excessive or deficient levels of integration and regulation lead to four "ideal types" of suicide:

egoistic: perhaps the most prevalent form in the United States, is the result of too little social integration, such as the suicide of a retired elderly widower;

altruistic: the consequence of excessive integration, such as deaths of a Japanese kamikaze pilot during World War II or the self-sacrifice of an Indian suttee, where a widow throws herself upon her husband's funeral pyre;

anomic: results from too little regulation or the shattering of one ties with society, such as with divorce or unemployment;

fatalistic: this form is the result of excessive regulation coupled with high personal needs to control one's environment, as when a highly motivated college student takes his own life upon failing a critical exam.

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Bottom line: suicide is a highly complex phenomenon that involves the interactions between genetic, biochemical, psychological, societal, and cultural factors.

But black people have one important difference -- black people are almost always born into black families, and often into black communities. They are able to get support from people just like them from the very beginning. Gay and lesbian people often do not have that when they are most vulnerable. Often the parents are appalled and upset and the teen feels like a failure. The community (especially as represented by their peers, school, etc.) is often the source of oppression and discrimination, rather than a balm.

real life, is it your belief that homosexuals commit suicide for different reasons than people who are not homosexual?

Where does it reference homosexuality and suicide on this CDC link?

As I have stated, I consider suicide to be an irrational act (whether one is homosexual or heterosexual).

Therefore, the concept of 'reason' or 'reasons' for suicide has no meaning.

There is no 'reason' for suicide. It is an unreasoned, an irrational act.

That is why anyone counseling a suicidal person will say "Don't do it."

You don't say "You are right. Suicide is your best (or only) option." That is never the case.

No one other than the person committing an irrational act can bear responsibility in whole or in part, direct or indirectly, for the commission of an irrational act.

There is no 'reason' for suicide. It is an unreasoned, an irrational act.

That is why anyone counseling a suicidal person will say "Don't do it."

You don't say "You are right. Suicide is your best (or only) option." That is never the case.

No one other than the person committing an irrational act can bear responsibility in whole or in part, direct or indirectly, for the commission of an irrational act.

So, in other words you're not actually interested in the response to this.

real life wrote:

Where does it reference homosexuality and suicide on this CDC link?

If you don't care why people commit suicide, or what can be done to prevent it, there's really no point in me giving you any further 'clues'.

Which I kinda suspected, but it's helpful of you to clarify it.

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Some people like science and statistics. Others go with a mood. <shrug>

But prevention efforts are headed the wrong direction if someone other than the person responsible is made a 'target' for blame.

real life wrote:

But prevention efforts are headed the wrong direction if someone other than the person responsible is made a 'target' for blame.

If a violent mother abuses her daughter for 10 years due to lesbian inclinations, and the daughter subsequently commits suicide, the mother should not have blame? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you...

(Now I am waiting to see if you get trashed as a homophobe, because you made the mom a lesbian.)

real life wrote:

(Now I am waiting to see if you get trashed as a homophobe, because you made the mom a lesbian.)

My understanding of Chumley's example is that the daughter is the one with 'tendencies'.

No physical abuse.

Now what.

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Looks like the bridge has a buyer.