Some more research and numbers <lots of links in the article as well to the sources of numbers>
Sociology of Death: Suicide
Quote:The very field of sociology was in part founded on the discovery that suicide rates are as much a sociological phenomenon as they are psychological.
Around the turn of the century, French sociologist Emile Durkheim found that single people were more likely to be victims than married individuals, Protestants more likely than Catholics, urban residents more likely than rural folks. Arguing that suicide was related to the nature of the bonds between self and society, Durkheim argued that either excessive or deficient levels of integration and regulation lead to four "ideal types" of suicide:
egoistic: perhaps the most prevalent form in the United States, is the result of too little social integration, such as the suicide of a retired elderly widower;
altruistic: the consequence of excessive integration, such as deaths of a Japanese kamikaze pilot during World War II or the self-sacrifice of an Indian suttee, where a widow throws herself upon her husband's funeral pyre;
anomic: results from too little regulation or the shattering of one ties with society, such as with divorce or unemployment;
fatalistic: this form is the result of excessive regulation coupled with high personal needs to control one's environment, as when a highly motivated college student takes his own life upon failing a critical exam.
To see this social variability of suicide, click here to see the 2001 state rates. Across the United States there is a four-fold difference in rates, ranging from New Mexico (19.8 suicides per 100,000 population) and Montana (19.3) to New York (6.6) and Massachusetts (6.7). Among the major predictors: 1998 divorce rates (r=.75), the percent of the population having no religious affiliation (r=.41), 1995 fatal accident rates (.59), and the percent of the state comprised of Catholics (r=-.40).
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Quote:Let's say for sake of argument that certain personality types are significantly more predisposed. However, historical and anthropological studies show how different cultures seem to produce distinctive spectrums of personality types and that modal types can change over time. In other words, the proportion of suicide-prone persons in a population is socio-culturally determined. Further, changing social conditions can either trigger or suppress the suicidal urge of these types of selves:
In Norway, the suicide rate is approximately one-third that of Denmark and Sweden even though all three countries are very similar ethnically, culturally, and geographically. In Suicide in Different Cultures, Faberow argues the lower Norwegian rate is due to its more supportive family environments and childrearing practices.
Studies in the early 1980s, for instance, found that the number of suicides in the U.S. increased by 360 a year for each one percent rise in unemployment.
Suicides, as well as homicides, plummeted in the country during World War II.
Being homosexual in a homophobic community can be lethal. A 1989 study for the Department of Health and Human Services estimated that 30 percent of youth suicides are committed by gay and lesbian young people.
A 1986 study by David P. Phillips and Lundie Carstensen found that between 1973 and 1979 teen-age suicides increased by about 7 percent in the seven days following 38 nationally-televised stories of suicide.
Bottom line: suicide is a highly complex phenomenon that involves the interactions between genetic, biochemical, psychological, societal, and cultural factors.
Not sure why the link above isn't a link
http://www.lambda.org/youth_suicide.htm
Deaths: Final Data for 2003 .. CDC numbers and analysis
<sociology of death and dying. I took way too many of these courses in 1 year>
ehBeth,
Well done! Terrific information! So much for the "irrational" argument! RL also ignores those who have thouight about and contemplated suicide for years, and have "reasoned" it out for any number of reasons. JayBea has contemplated suicide for years due to her increasingly deteriorating conditions. She has gone from severely disabled to invalid at this point, and has talked more than once about going to Oregon. I would do this for her if she desires it. To call it irrational is ignorant, or plain outright stupid!!
Anon
Hi ehBeth,
Where does it reference homosexuality and suicide on this CDC link?
Suicide's in there, real life.
Follow the links.
Hi J_B
Lambda, eh?
Now THERE'S an unbiased source!
ehBeth wrote:Suicide's in there, real life.
Follow the links.
I found some referenced suicide.
Care to give us a hint which of the several dozen links actually reference suicide and homosexuality?
Or are we to guess?
Back to School print version 107KB pdf
Bullying in Schools: Harassment Puts Gay Youth At Risk
While trying to deal with all the challenges of being a teenager, gay/ lesbian/ bisexual/ transgender (GBLT) teens additionally have to deal with harassment, threats, and violence directed at them on a daily basis. They hear anti-gay slurs such as "homo", "faggot" and "sissy" about 26 times a day or once every 14 minutes. Even more troubling, a study found that thirty-one percent of gay youth had been threatened or injured at school in the last year alone!2
Their mental health and education, not to mention their physical well-being, are at-risk.
How is their mental health being affected?
Gay and lesbian teens are at high risk because ?'their distress is a direct result of the hatred and prejudice that surround them,' not because of their inherently gay or lesbian identity orientation.3
Gay, lesbian, and bisexual youth are two to three times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual counterparts.4
How is their education being affected?
Gay teens in U.S. schools are often subjected to such intense bullying that they're unable to receive an adequate education.5 They're often embarrassed or ashamed of being targeted and may not report the abuse.
GLBT students are more apt to skip school due to the fear, threats, and property vandalism directed at them.6 One survey revealed that 22 percent of gay respondents had skipped school in the past month because they felt unsafe there.7
Twenty-eight percent of gay students will drop out of school. This is more than
three times the national average for heterosexual students.8
GLBT youth feel they have nowhere to turn. According to several surveys, four out of five gay and lesbian students say they don't know one supportive adult at school.9
real life, did you read any of the other materials/links I posted?
Got any comments?
I think I'll wait to give you any more 'clues' til I see there's an actual point to doing so.
Lash wrote:Back to School print version 107KB pdf
Bullying in Schools: Harassment Puts Gay Youth At Risk
While trying to deal with all the challenges of being a teenager, gay/ lesbian/ bisexual/ transgender (GBLT) teens additionally have to deal with harassment, threats, and violence directed at them on a daily basis. They hear anti-gay slurs such as "homo", "faggot" and "sissy" about 26 times a day or once every 14 minutes. Even more troubling, a study found that thirty-one percent of gay youth had been threatened or injured at school in the last year alone!2
Their mental health and education, not to mention their physical well-being, are at-risk.
How is their mental health being affected?
Gay and lesbian teens are at high risk because ?'their distress is a direct result of the hatred and prejudice that surround them,' not because of their inherently gay or lesbian identity orientation.3
Gay, lesbian, and bisexual youth are two to three times more likely to attempt suicide than their heterosexual counterparts.4
How is their education being affected?
Gay teens in U.S. schools are often subjected to such intense bullying that they're unable to receive an adequate education.5 They're often embarrassed or ashamed of being targeted and may not report the abuse.
GLBT students are more apt to skip school due to the fear, threats, and property vandalism directed at them.6 One survey revealed that 22 percent of gay respondents had skipped school in the past month because they felt unsafe there.7
Twenty-eight percent of gay students will drop out of school. This is more than
three times the national average for heterosexual students.8
GLBT youth feel they have nowhere to turn. According to several surveys, four out of five gay and lesbian students say they don't know one supportive adult at school.9
Thanks for posting these unsupported assertions.
I'd suspect those numbers in the article Lash posted are the references to the supporting documentation.
<and easy to find with a tiny bit of googling>
Thanks for setting yourself up!
Sources
Why do you hate gays?
ehBeth wrote:real life, did you read any of the other materials/links I posted?
Got any comments?
I think I'll wait to give you any more 'clues' til I see there's an actual point to doing so.
Yeah I read it, but other than stating the obvious (suicide among homosexuals is much higher than the population at large, which is the point that I brought up that spurred this discussion), there was no documentation to prove causality of any kind other than the individual's choice to take his life. Only assertions and insinuations.
Was your document supposed to be proving something?
Lash wrote:Thanks for setting yourself up!
Sources
Why do you hate gays?
Some people are beyond hope Lash, and there's a point it becomes useless to talk to them further.
Anon
Lash wrote:Thanks for setting yourself up!
Sources
Why do you hate gays?
Why do you incorrectly assume this?
real life wrote:Lash wrote:Thanks for setting yourself up!
Sources
Why do you hate gays?
Why do you incorrectly assume this?
probably just a wild guess not unlike "I guess the sun will come up tomorrow"