hephzibah wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Heph...
...I wrote:
Quote: It is not necessary for them to be right to show your original asssertion to be nonsense, Neo....and I am not "assserting they are right." All they have to do is to POSSIBLY be right. All they have to do is assert a POSSIBLE worse case scenario. . .
To which, Neo responded:
Quote:That's another point, Frank. It is NOT possible for them to be right.
To which I responded:
Quote:Okay...I'll bite.
Why is it not possible for them to be right?????
I have still not gotten a satisfactory answer to that question.
Simply because the Bible does not say there is a hell or punishment after death...or more exactly, because Neo's cult says that the Bible does not...
...does not make it so.
His assertion that they cannot be right has to be documented.
To which you got the response:
Quote:First of all, let me point out that the consequence God warned of for disobedience was death. Nothing more, nothing less. If hell was part of the deal, that would have been a good time to let folks know, IMHO.
The only response thus far. Which we both agree was a correct statement.
But it appears you are missing a significant point here, Heph.
While I acknowledge that the statement is absolutely correct....but it also has NOTHING whatever to do with what we were discussing.
We were not discussing what the god did or did not warn Adam about consequences.
We were discussing something quite different.
The fact that this statement is correct...and that we both agree that it is ...is no more important or germane to this discussion than the statement: At the moment, Washington D. C. is the capital of the United States.
That statement is correct. We can both agree on that.
But is has absolutely nothing to do with what Neo and I were discussing...which was whether or not people who claim there are dire consequences that ensue after death...HAVE TO BE WRONG.
Neo claims they MUST BE WRONG.
That is what we were discussing...not what the god said to Adam.
Can we get clear on that????
Quote:
Quote:I am NOT saying they are right...I AM SAYING they MAY be right.
Who knows?
In any case, Neo cannot substantiate that they cannot be right...which is the reason he is trying to weasel out of dealing with it
LOL I know Frank. I know. Neither am I really. However, he has only made one comment so far regarding this. Which we both agree is a correct statement.
No...the comment that we both agree is correct is not directed at the question being discussed. The question being discussed is Neo's assertion that people who think there is a hell...or other forms of punishment after death...MUST BE WRONG.
Let's be clear about that. Neo has asserted that people who feel that way...MUST BE WRONG.
I am not saying they are right...I am merely saying that they may be right. And if he has anything to offer in substantiation of his assertion...he should present it.
He has avoided doing so.
Heph...I want to be very clear about that.
Quote:I am extremely interested in what else he has to say about this. Because truthfully speaking I never would have thought of any of this had I not read this thread. All I was asking for is evidence of both sides, since we both seem to be standing back a little bit from it and looking at it from different angles. However, I just realized that to ask that could be perceived as a trap to get you to appear as if you are supporting one side or the other. That was not my intention at all though. I merely was curious as to whether or not the supposed evidence of there being life after death would be presented in any manner within the context of your argument here.
I do not know of anything that could reasonable be called evidence that truly shows there is life after death...or there is nothing.
All I see are people making guesses about it either way...or affirming other people's guesses about it.