Is the story of Adam and Even real...or allegory?

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I am engaged in a discussion with Hephzibah in another thread.

We were discussing the story of Adam and Eve and the happenings in Eden, when I asked the following question:

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In your opinion, are we dealing with allegory in this particular story...or are we dealing with "what is?" Do you consider this to be the way humanity was created...and that the first man and woman were actually placed in a garden with this tree we are discussing...or is this merely an allegory...a mythology of ancient peoples?

She replied:

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I believe this story is the truth, not a myth. Not something made up by a bunch of ancient people trying to explain existance or how we were created.

To be certain I understood her correctly, I followed up with:

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Just to be sure I understand you...

...you think the story as stated is the way humanity came into existence...and you think the god that created the world made humans the way described...and put them into a physical place (Eden) under the conditions stated...and that human existence proceeded from that point as described in the Bible?

I'm not sure how she is going to respond, (I'll ask her to post her response here) but I thought I'd take this opportunity to begin a thread dealing with the issue.

Who among the theists here (who accept the Bible as a special book of God) think the story of Adam and Eve in Eden...and the associated stories in Eden...represent the truth...the actuallity...the way that humans were created and the way the god of the Bible first interacted with them?

Who among you think it is merely allegory?

I'd enjoy discussing it.

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Heph's response to my follow up question was succinct:

"Yes."

I've invited her to stop by.

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Frank,

Wow. I can see you are picking up your career right where you left off! Laughing

I am restraining myself (literally) from engaging in the discussions, Frank, because we have had them somewhat and I think everyone watching is extremely interested in you and Helpzibah discussing these issues. We are all pretty much letting you two of you carry the show.

So, I will just do my WA2K-F commentary, if that's ok? If not, just say so. No problem.

Frank, can you suggest a co-anchor? I think I have to fire Mesquite. He fell asleep on the job yesterday and then he just flat out disappearred! Shocked

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If somebody today said 'this baby just appeared one day' would we beleive it/
Doesnt it sound unlikely and dare i say, crazy?

I beleive there is a strong possibility that years ago we had powers, eg moving things with our mind, I think its possible the egyptions built the pyramids moving the stones by mind power.These gifts we have just forgotton how to use.

With regards to just creating a world,universe, planet, people etc I dont think God created it.What was he doing before it all existed?

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Ok, I'm here. I'm moving forwards not backwards. So what would you like to discuss Frank?

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Real.

I'll be back tonight. Meantimes a bookmark.

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good deal.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Frank,

Wow. I can see you are picking up your career right where you left off!

I am restraining myself (literally) from engaging in the discussions, Frank, because we have had them somewhat and I think everyone watching is extremely interested in you and Helpzibah discussing these issues. We are all pretty much letting you two of you carry the show.

So, I will just do my WA2K-F commentary, if that's ok? If not, just say so. No problem.

Frank, can you suggest a co-anchor? I think I have to fire Mesquite. He fell asleep on the job yesterday and then he just flat out disappearred!

This is open to everyone, MA...I hope you discuss your take on the matter.

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hephzibah wrote:

Ok, I'm here. I'm moving forwards not backwards. So what would you like to discuss Frank?

To be honest...I just wanted you to know about this thread. I am much, much, much more interested in the other thread...and I would prefer to deal with that one right now.

This thread is an aside...created just so that we do not get sidetracked in the other one.

I'll have more to say on this issue here...later...

...and in the other thread at an appropriate time.

In the other thread, I do want you to tell me more about the "choice" you think your god gave to Adam and Eve.

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I responded. Sorry, I should have told you.

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I'm thinking about it, but honestly, I'm more interested in the other thread also Frank. I think most of us are.

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Well would you Adam and Eve it?

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Steve,

Uh, were you speaking to me? And, if you are, HUH? Laughing

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The expression Adam and Eve it is cockney rhyming slang

(not a very good one)

better is I'll have a cup of Rosy

Rosy Lee = Tea

or mind me titfer

titfa tat = hat

and one that I am particularly fond of (because I made it up)

a nice drop of Gertrude

Gertrude Stein = wine.

oh and

adam and eve it

= believe it.

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