Is the story of Adam and Even real...or allegory?

I'll have a bowl of primordial soup to go, oh no wait did I say that, or did god make me say that without my knowledge, oh no wait how can I know the mind of god?

Chumly wrote:

I'll have a bowl of primordial soup to go, oh no wait did I say that, or did god make me say that without my knowledge, oh no wait how can I know the mind of god?

We harmonize with God. Unity is a symphony of various frequencies at amplitudes that blend to strike a chord of quality. This sound is a progression of events in the melody of life, God is the conductor...

InfraBlue wrote:

neo wrote:

SeewhatImean?

In all honesty, no.

They're all just rationalizations to deal with the paradox of the idea of omnipotence.

Well, the word 'omnipotent' is a non biblical word often used to describe the nature of God. If it doesn't fit, perhaps we shouldn't use it.

RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:

I'll have a bowl of primordial soup to go, oh no wait did I say that, or did god make me say that without my knowledge, oh no wait how can I know the mind of god?

We harmonize with God. Unity is a symphony of various frequencies at amplitudes that blend to strike a chord of quality. This sound is a progression of events in the melody of life, God is the conductor...

I do a solo act, but I'll buy you a bowl of primordial soup when I take my next break, primordial soup makes you come alive!

I can understand why one could read the bible and, without meditating on its meaning, might conclude that God is brutal, misogynistic and homophobic.

If both God and man have free will and God is bound by no necessity (save that he cannot lie)...

Now, if God knew in advance that Adam would sin and the consequence of that sin would be some 6000 years of human misery and wickedness, then we could only conclude that at one time all the evil that we know was at one time existing only in the mind of God and he deliberately brought this misery on the human race for some perverted reason.

Chumly wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Chumly wrote:

I'll have a bowl of primordial soup to go, oh no wait did I say that, or did god make me say that without my knowledge, oh no wait how can I know the mind of god?

We harmonize with God. Unity is a symphony of various frequencies at amplitudes that blend to strike a chord of quality. This sound is a progression of events in the melody of life, God is the conductor...

I do a solo act, but I'll buy you a bowl of primordial soup when I take my next break, primordial soup makes you come alive!

Not always

You are what you eat... You become what you feed your mind on...

neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

neo wrote:

SeewhatImean?

In all honesty, no.

They're all just rationalizations to deal with the paradox of the idea of omnipotence.

Well, the word 'omnipotent' is a non biblical word often used to describe the nature of God. If it doesn't fit, perhaps we shouldn't use it.

Here goes another molar . . .

So then for you 'he who causes to become' does not imply omnipotence. What then, going right back to my original question, does 'he who causes to become' mean to you?

neologist wrote:

I can understand why one could read the bible and, without meditating on its meaning, might conclude that God is brutal, misogynistic and homophobic.

I can understand why one could read the Bible and not come away concluding that the god described in it a jealous, vindictive, murderous, brutal, tyrannical, petty, misogynistic, homophobic, barbarian. And it has nothing to do with meditating on its meaning.

It has to do with pants wetting fear of the monster.

It has to do with fear that drives you good folks to rationalize and excuse the most disgusting of excesses.

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If both God and man have free will and God is bound by no necessity (save that he cannot lie)...

And exactly why is it that a god..or this god, if you prefer..."cannot lie"....other than that it suits your purposes to suggest such a thing???

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Now, if God knew in advance that Adam would sin and the consequence of that sin would be some 6000 years of human misery and wickedness, then we could only conclude that at one time all the evil that we know was at one time existing only in the mind of God and he deliberately brought this misery on the human race for some perverted reason.

Whether the god of this fairytale knew in advance that Adam and Eve might very well succumb to temptation..especially considering that the god had withheld knowledge of right and wrong from them...and had allowed the greatest tempter of all eternity to minister to them...

...or if the god simply had the intelligence of a five year old human child and could make an educated guess that they well might...

...it still is a scumbag scam to have set up.

And so completely unnecessary.

But it appears that your raging fear is blinding you to this, Neo, so all we can do is pity you...and try to help you shuck these shackles.


Helping you to do so, of course, is why I am here.

Not exactly the intellectual level I had expected in your response.

You speak of 'pants wetting fear'. Fear of what? If God exists, the worst thing that could happen to me would be my eventual death and return to nothingness.

If God had the intelligence of only a five year old child and were able to create sentient beings, I would find that truly remarkable, Frank. Wherever did you come up with that bit of erudition?

I certainly hope Setanta will see my post and respond to it with more insight.

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How about the people who "believe" there is a hell of a lot worse things that can happen to you?

And just why do you suppose that "if a GOD" exists...there is a limit to what that GOD could make "happen to you?" . . .

Frank, I have three questions for you:

If I told you that people (especially religious people, in general) believe in mythical fairy tales of ancient civilizations due to psychological, social, and emotional reasons that have very less to do with whether such belief is supported by evidence or whether is likely to be true…would you believe me?

And because of these psychological, social, and emotional reasons, do you think your logical reasoning would make a difference to them?


(This one is more personal)

And lets assume that God exists (hypothetically thinking, of course), would you even consider the choice of spending eternity with someone who doesn't laugh…who always appears serious?

Jason Proudmoore wrote:

Frank, I have three questions for you:

If I told you that people (especially religious people, in general) believe in mythical fairy tales of ancient civilizations due to psychological, social, and emotional reasons that have very less to do with whether such belief is supported by evidence or whether is likely to be true…would you believe me?

And because of these psychological, social, and emotional reasons, do you think your logical reasoning would make a difference to them?


(This one is more personal)

And lets assume that God exists (hypothetically thinking, of course), would you even consider the choice of spending eternity with someone who doesn't laugh…who always appears serious?

Hey.

God created you, Jason.

Ain't that funny enough?

Frank Apisa wrote:

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How about the people who "believe" there is a hell of a lot worse things that can happen to you?

And just why do you suppose that "if a GOD" exists...there is a limit to what that GOD could make "happen to you?" . . .

See there, Frank.

What I have said all along.

That some folks believe in hell has nothing to do with it.

It's a pagan belief not supported by the bible. Adam and Eve were told they would die. Nothing more. Nothing less.

You may have a university professors memorization of scripture. But if you had even a five year old's understanding of the bible, you would realize that.

You have all the ingredients to make bread, Frank. You just don't understand the recipe.