Republican Congressman Predicts Bush Impeachment

That's why they call the rank Commander-in-Chief.
George is perfectly happy to dance around on a flightdeck all dressed up like a real pilot, but now you want to weasel him out of his responsibilities merely because the Armed Forces he commands have violated numerous sections of the Geneva Conventions and that wouldn't look good on his resume?

The sanction of torture by this President is enough, IMO, to impeach him today. The use of secret prisons, the wiretapping without warrants, the illegal seizure and deportations for purposes of torture of innocent individuals is enough to impeach this President.

The incarceration of individuals at Guantanamo Bay, without charges, without hearings, without trials, all at his direction constitute a crime against the good name of this nation; it's honor and it's character have been irrevocably stained by the mis-deeds ordered by this President.

You want to compare all this to lying about a blowjob and a feel-up?

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Joe Nation wrote:
The sanction of torture by this President is enough, IMO, to impeach him today. The use of secret prisons, the wiretapping without warrants, the illegal seizure and deportations for purposes of torture of innocent individuals is enough to impeach this President.

It has to be a high crime or a high misdemeanor before it is impeachable.

The laws of warfare allow the detention of captured enemy soldiers until the end of the war.

The sanction of, and ordering the use of, and directing the execution of torture is a high crime.

Those being held in Cuba are not being held as prisoners of war and you know that.

I do try to put these things in perspective.

If anyone had asked me if I thought the United States of America, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave (and you may think I'm mocking those words, but I assure you I am not.) bastion of the natural rights of man would ever stoop to the level we find ourselves at today, I would have found myself speechless at the very thought. That we, as a nation, no longer stand for the humane treatment of prisoners, that we, as a people, sanction the beating and torturing of those we capture on a battlefield, that we, America- once the beacon of liberty and justice, now are so terrified of our enemies that we blindly strike out at anything and anyone who moves. There is no greater shame.

Fold up the Constitution before George uses it as a placemat.

Joe

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Joe Nation wrote:
The sanction of, and ordering the use of, and directing the execution of torture is a high crime.

That is incorrect. High crimes are those crimes in which the government is the victim of the crime.
It is hard to see how the government was the victim of the torture.

Joe Nation wrote:

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Those being held in Cuba are not being held as prisoners of war and you know that.

Since they are war criminals, they do not have the benefit of Geneva 3.

However, they are still enemy soldiers who were captured and can be legally held until the end of the war.

Followed by this, since Orally wants the government, and not just us, to be the victim of Bush's High Crimes, it's called Abuse of Power

Kind of a mushy set of terms but that's how the founders wanted it. Undefined, or more precisely, to be defined by Congress at the time.

Hello? One, even a President, cannot contravene, violate and overstep the laws of this nation without damage to it's government and it's totality of it's ruling power.

So this particular case is a two step: not only did he violate the laws on intelligence gathering without warrants (Amd IV and the Foreign Intelligence Security Act)

he also acted abusively in the conduct of his powers.

Careful now, Orally, we must stick with 'enemy combatants', they can't be war criminals without some crime being charged unless this really is a Kafka novel.

Brandon:

Here is the law: Maybe you've heard of it, it's called the Constitution.
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You're just a bunch of crybabies who don't have the good sportsmanship to wait until the next election and try to do better. None of you can provide a decent case that there is a specific law that has been violated, and state exactly what the violation was.

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You're just a bunch of crybabies who don't have the good sportsmanship to wait until the next election and try to do better. None of you can provide a decent case that there is a specific law that has been violated, and state exactly what the violation was.

You are the crybaby, always whining that evryone is picking on your hero. Brandon, are you secretly in love with George Bush?

Once again, a massive failure of leaderships has been displayed in Washington. And, once again, George Bush has escaped an independent inquiry into his irresponsible actions. For the fourth time in less than five years, the President of the United States and his cohorts been placed above the law. That, in itself, is a major American disaster.

When, if ever, could this have happened before? When else could one administration have pulled off four major scandals; four devastating, potentially impeachable screw-ups, and never have to answer for them? When else, in the United States of America, could so many crimes of an elected president and his cadre remain unexplained, unchallenged, and unpunished? When? Probably never. When in history have the media sat silent through criminal scandal at highest levels of government?

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High crimes and high misdemeanors have a precise legal meaning. Nothing mushy or ill-defined about them.

Abuse of power is a high misdemeanor (but definitely an impeachable offense).

Now all we need is a reasonable charge that Bush has abused his power.

Maybe, George W. Bush Is Above the Law?

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Once again, a massive failure of leaderships has been displayed in Washington. And, once again, George Bush has escaped an independent inquiry into his irresponsible actions. For the fourth time in less than five years, the President of the United States and his cohorts been placed above the law. That, in itself, is a major American disaster.

When, if ever, could this have happened before? When else could one administration have pulled off four major scandals; four devastating, potentially impeachable screw-ups, and never have to answer for them? When else, in the United States of America, could so many crimes of an elected president and his cadre remain unexplained, unchallenged, and unpunished? When? Probably never. When in history have the media sat silent through criminal scandal at highest levels of government?

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