Republican Congressman Predicts Bush Impeachment

No, i'm right on.

Your a mouthpiece of government disinformation. The only issue is why.

Amigo wrote:

No, i'm right on.

Your a mouthpiece of government disinformation. The only issue is why.

I think I've wasted enough time on you low-IQ types.

The board has a good share of intelligent people I can converse with instead.

I have a very high I.Q.

Amigo wrote:

No, i'm right on.

Your a mouthpiece of government disinformation. The only issue is why.

I think I've wasted enough time on you low-IQ types.

Amigo wrote:

I have a very high I.Q.

Then use it and say something intelligent.

Roxxxanne wrote:

Perhaps, you should make an effort to stay informed.

I already do.

Bush's High Crimes and Misdemeanors
by Ralph Nader (repost and link) Saturday, Jan. 28, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Bush can be impeached.
Can Sen. Conyers ever get a room out of the basement?

An Aggregation of High Crimes and Misdemeanors

By RALPH NADER

What will it take for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to be held responsible for a multitude of political crimes, recklessness, prevarications and just plain massive ongoing mismanagement of the taxpayers government?

The first step is to aggregate these travesties so they add up to a more comprehensive judgment. Then, together they confront us with an awful truth -- that our present system of constitution, law and checks and balances have failed to be invoked by the elected and appointed officials of our Congress and our Courts. This is happening even though the polls have been dropping on the Bush regime for over a year and are now quite negative on many important questions.

Consider the following sample of irresponsibility and flouting of the law and then ask yourself how much more will it take to start holding the Bush/Cheney crowd of serial fibbers and dictacrats accountable? Is there ever to be a tipping point in the Washington world of spineless Democrats and supine Congressional Republicans worried about Bush losing the 2006 elections?

1. The drug benefit boondoggle, starting January 1, 2006, has been by all reports maelstrom of confusion, deprivation, gouging and misadministration, leaving many sick people in a frightening limbo. That is Bushland messing up big time while giving the gouging, long-subsidized profit-glutted drug companies hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade paid by the taxpayer.

2. Katrina! The breaching of the levees was predicted at least over a year before and warned about just before the Hurricane hit by federal officials but ignored by the Administration. Bush's godliness complex let him give the public the impression that the destruction was an unavoidable Act of God, when it was an avoidable disaster of Bush. The White House earlier had cut the Army Corps of Engineers budget designed for hurricane defense in the New Orleans area. The Corps itself is not blameless, but its commander in chief is, after all, George W. Bush.

3. Bush-Cheney plunged our country into an endless war-quagmire in Iraq on an often repeated platform of falsehoods, cover-ups and deliberate distractions from the ignored necessities here at home. Tens of thousands of American have lost their lives, their limbs or their health over there and casualties of innocent Iraqi adults and children are much more numerous. Already costing hundreds of billions of dollars, the mismanagement of this war of choice is the material of hundreds of Pentagon audits, Congressional reports, official admissions, firsthand press reports and Congressional condemnations by the respected Government Accountability Office (GAO).

"Iraq Rebuilding Badly Hobbled", U.S. Report finds, "is a recent front page headline in The New York Times-- one of many such headlines in recent months. The corporate contractors, such ass Halliburton, will set records for waste and worse as the facts spill out to the people.

4. The impeachable George W. Bush imperiously asserts that he will continue to violate federal law and place the American people under any surveillance that he chooses to impose without ever using a Congressionally approved procedure which requiresfor a quick and secret court warrant that is even permitted to be retroactive.

He and his pitchmen claim that they are pursuing terrorists. But the National Security Agency's (NSA) electronic dragnets are enveloping millions of people, flooding the FBI with what that agency says is mountains of indiscriminate undigested data that are useless.

Besides, as of the end of 2004, Bush and John Ashcroft, his then Attorney General had arrested 5000 people on suspicion of terrorism, jailed them, most without charges, and then proceeded to strike out. Two were convicted and the convictions were overturned in Michigan. The Bush scorecard, according to Georgetown Law professor David Cole was 0 for 5000! Does this record qualify for chronic abuse of legal process or is it just sloppy law enforcement designed to produce political press releases?

5. Bush pumps "the ownership society" and opposes attempts to give investors the power that should accrue to them as owners over the self-enriching managers of the giant corporations. As a result, big time corporate executives keep vastly overpaying themselves, through their rubber-stamp Boards of Directors (starting at $7200 an hour in 2002 and upward for the CEOs of the top 300 corporations). Warren Buffet called runaway executive compensation and stock options a central cause of cooking corporate books and undermining jobs and their own companies' financial stability.

6. Cutting life-sustaining programs for needy children, sick adults and regulatory health-safety protections for most Americans while reducing the taxes of the richest one percent, including his own and Cheney's taxes, invites Biblical condemnation. He has left many Americans defenseless from preventable hazards here at home, while he plays the providential Viceroy of Iraq. At the same time, Bush's forked tongue touts "the safety of the American people" as his highest responsibility.

7. He encumbers young children with taxes (who will have to pay the debt) through massive federal deficits brought about significantly by huge numbers of corporate handouts, giveaways, subsidies and tax escapism. That's one way of leaving children behind.

8. Mismangement and underfunding implode his educational distraction called No Child Left Behind. Just ask the Republican state of Utah or millions of teachers beset with constant, vapid standardized multiple choice tests created by corporate consultants.

9. He huffs and puffs about spreading democracies around the world while condoning and encouraging the shipment of whole American industries and jobs to the communist Chinese dictatorship, and other dictatorships on which he continues to lavish such globalized policies.

However, his boomeranging foreign policy may yet turn him into an unintended patron saint of elected Islamic theocracies.

These and many other documentations of his tortured tenure can demonstrate what their aggregation can contribute to motivate the American people toward holding him and Cheney accountable to them under the rule of law. But don't count on the Democrats leading. They blew another election -- Congressional and Presidentially -- against the worst Republicans in American history.

Aggregation, my fellow citizens, is up to your independent minds and judgments to absorb and act upon.

DrewDad wrote:

I disagree. What message would it send that the US will impeach a president over a peccadillo, but give a free ride to the likes of Bush?

I think multiple counts of lying under oath and obstruction of justice amount to a bit more than a peccadillo.

While Bush has authorized a few violations of international law, I haven't seen anyone make a case that his actions rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.

How does one waste one's time on him or herself?

oralloy wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

I disagree. What message would it send that the US will impeach a president over a peccadillo, but give a free ride to the likes of Bush?

I think multiple counts of lying under oath and obstruction of justice amount to a bit more than a peccadillo.

It all revolved around a peccadillo.

The American people know this; only people blinded by hatred or propaganda try to make this molehill into something else.

I'm pretty sure that the founders want the Senate to determine what is or is not impeachable, which is why they did not list those items that are specifically impeachable. He can be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors; it is abundantly clear that he has violated US law, the question is whether anyone will step up and call him on it.

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Bush's High Crimes and Misdemeanors
by Ralph Nader (repost and link) Saturday, Jan. 28, 2006 at 2:34 PM
Bush can be impeached.
Can Sen. Conyers ever get a room out of the basement?

An Aggregation of High Crimes and Misdemeanors

By RALPH NADER

4. Breaking the law to try to uproot al-Qa'ida sleeper cells.




I don't see any high crimes or high misdemeanors there.

Published on Friday, August 1, 2003 by the Seattle Times

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Bush's High Crimes Against the Nation

by Walter Williams

To date, only the deception in Iraq has brought forth the "I" word. The case for impeachment is materially strengthened, however, when Iraq is combined with Bush's 2001 and 2003 propaganda campaigns to convince the public that tax filers with lower levels of income benefited more from his tax cuts than the nation's richest families.

Hoodwinking the public that Saddam posed a perilous immediate danger to the United States is Bush's greatest treachery. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman observed: "If that claim was fraudulent, the selling of the war is arguably the worst scandal in American history."

John Dean, counsel to the president during Watergate, wrote in mid-June: "Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be a 'high crime' under the Constitution's impeachment clause."

Before the U.S. invasion, the strong consensus based on intelligence community information held that there were only negligible Iraqi ties with al-Qaida, no nuclear weapons program of any consequence, and limited chemical and biological weapons programs at most.

Lacking hard facts, as evidenced by his now much-discussed deception in his State of the Union address that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa, Bush mixed misinformation, distorted allegations and unsubstantiated rumors to persuade the public of the imminent danger posed by Saddam Hussein.

High school students stage mock trial of president

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newjersey/ny-bc-nj--school-bushtrial0303mar03,0,1146447.story?coll=ny-region-apnewjersey

DrewDad wrote:

DrewDad wrote:

The American people know this; only people blinded by hatred or propaganda try to make this molehill into something else.

A president committing multiple counts of perjury and obstruction of justice (both high crimes) is a molehill?

Multiple counts? Geez. For someone that demands perfect evidence of a lie from Bush you sure like to heap crap when it comes to your claims. Provide the evidence of ONE case of perjury by Clinton that meets the legal standard to be prosecuted. There are instances of Clinton being misleading but misleading doesn't rise to perjury unless the statement is provably false and the question is in no way confusing. Obstruction is even more of a stretch. Not much evidence there. Defendants in trials are not required to volunteer information not directly asked about. There can be no obstruction in statements by a defendant in a civil trial if there is not perjury.


There are many instances of Bush making statements that are proven to be factually false. You can no more provide evidence of CLinton's intent to deceive in his testimony than anyone can about Bush's intent to make his factually false statements. Either you have to have the same standard for lies or not. Does a lie require intent? If so then you can't prove perjury that you keep claiming Clinton committed since "intent" is part of the perjury requirement.

Multiple counts? Geez. For someone that demands perfect evidence of a lie from Bush you sure like to heap crap when it comes to your claims. Provide the evidence of ONE case of perjury by Clinton that meets the legal standard to be prosecuted.

There are instances of Clinton being misleading but misleading doesn't rise to perjury unless the statement is provably false and the question is in no way confusing.

Obstruction is even more of a stretch. Not much evidence there.

There can be no obstruction in statements by a defendant in a civil trial if there is not perjury.

There are many instances of Bush making statements that are proven to be factually false. You can no more provide evidence of CLinton's intent to deceive in his testimony than anyone can about Bush's intent to make his factually false statements. Either you have to have the same standard for lies or not. Does a lie require intent? If so then you can't prove perjury that you keep claiming Clinton committed since "intent" is part of the perjury requirement.

If they are referring to the indiscriminate use of cluster munitions in urban areas, that was due to Army policy. I doubt bush had anything to do with that.