Soldiers are saying - "Get us Outta Here!"

That the CIA is a terrorist organization is clear from its record of terrorist activities (sometimes called "counterinsurgency" or "low intensity conflict"). Here are just a few examples:


During the Vietnam war the CIA conducted Operation Phoenix, an assassination program. The goal was not only to eliminate those Vietnamese who might oppose the U.S. (which in practice meant most of the population of Vietnam) but also to terrorize the entire population of South Vietnam and to suppress opposition to the occupying U.S. forces.

Over 20,000 Vietnamese were murdered, often at random.

The CIA also recruited a mercenary army in Vietnam (financed by profits from the CIA's heroin smuggling), particularly from among the Hmong villagers, which was used to terrorize the civilian population and to prevent them from assisting the Viet Cong.

The CIA organized and financed (with the profits from its cocaine smuggling) the activities of the Contras in Nicaragua, who murdered tens of thousands of civilians, and tried to disrupt the economy, in an attempt to destabilize the legitimate Sandinista government.

The CIA planned and organized the military coup d'etat in 1973 in Chile which overthrew the legitimately elected government of Salvador Allende (because he would not implement economic policies designed in Washington to favor American corporations doing business in Chile) and brought to power the regime of General Augusto Pinochet; this regime abducted, tortured and killed thousands of Chilean citizens in an attempt to suppress opposition.

The CIA organized and supported the Turkish government's persecution of its Kurdish minority during the 1990s, resulting in tens of thousands of deaths and millions of refuges; the aim being the suppression of Kurdish culture and the elimination of Kurdish demands for a separate state.

The September 11th attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon are widely regarded as terrorist acts. There is evidence of CIA involvement.

Amigo wrote:

Backyard terrorism

The US has been training terrorists at a camp in Georgia for years - and it's still at it

George Monbiot
Tuesday October 30, 2001
The Guardian

I'm sure that we've trained many guerrillas to fight communism, who then became terrorists when done with our training.

But I don't think that is the same as committing acts of terrorism ourselves.

The USA through the CIA has interfered with the democratic process in dozens of countries, by training guerillas and funding their operation to support right-wing factions. And also of course, committing American personnel to these activities outside of the USA.

If you "don't think that is the same as committing terrorism ourselves", where does that leave Bushco's principal reason for invading Afghanistan and Iraq?

You are deluding yourself.

anton wrote:

If those US citizens who agree with and support the Occupation of Iraq were to shake off the shroud of Ramboism and stop believing in their own fiction they would see that their leaders have them in a no win situation; they can't possibly win this futile, phoney war on terrorism because they are part of the terrorism.

I challenge you to show one instance of terrorism that we've committed (or attempted to commit) in this war.

Note that all definitions of terrorism require the deliberate targeting of innocent non-combatants. Many definitions of terrorism require that the attack be carried off by covert agents.

oralloy wrote:

Amigo wrote:

Backyard terrorism

The US has been training terrorists at a camp in Georgia for years - and it's still at it

George Monbiot
Tuesday October 30, 2001
The Guardian

I'm sure that we've trained many guerrillas to fight communism, who then became terrorists when done with our training.

But I don't think that is the same as committing acts of terrorism ourselves.

The USA through the CIA has interfered with the democratic process in dozens of countries, by training guerillas and funding their operation to support right-wing factions. And also of course, committing American personnel to these activities outside of the USA.

If you "don't think that is the same as committing terrorism ourselves", where does that leave Bushco's principal reason for invading Afghanistan and Iraq? You are deluding yourself.

Consider the use of DU ammunition used by the US in the Balkans, Afghanistan and Iraq.
In spite of all the evidence of radioactive contamination and warnings from the 1996
UN sub-Commission on Human Rights (They have classified the ammunition as an indiscriminate Weapon of Mass Destruction, and a crime against Humanity)

the US government insists there in no danger from the use of such an evil weapon.

Many former soldiers, of all nationalities, who served in Iraq and the Gulf, have been affected and many have already died from cancers and disorders caused by what has become known as "Gulf War Syndrome" which is now believed to have its origin in exposure to radiation from depleted uranium.

Using radioactive weaponry classified as an indiscriminate Weapon of Mass Destruction is certainly a terror weapon …

radiation dust from these vile weapons will remain active for thousands of years …. that's correct! thousands of years.

I'm surprised you cannot see the contradictions in what you just wrote, Oralloy.

If you "don't think that is the same as committing terrorism ourselves", where does that leave Bushco's principal reason for invading Afghanistan and Iraq?

You are deluding yourself.

Only 9% of Marines polled believed they should leave. There were also vast differences between reservists and career military personel polled.

Different branches had quite different sentiments on the question, the poll shows. While 89% of reserves and 82% of those in the National Guard said the U.S. should leave Iraq within a year, 58% of Marines think so. Seven in ten of those in the regular Army thought the U.S. should leave Iraq in the next year. Moreover, about three-quarters of those in National Guard and Reserve units favor withdrawal within six months, just 15% of Marines felt that way. About half of those in the regular Army favored withdrawal from Iraq in the next six months.

Isn't funding terrorists the same thing as being a terrorist? I thought it was today? Bush seems to think it is. What is wrong with these conservatives? Don't they get it?