Soldiers are saying - "Get us Outta Here!"

Zogby may have asked the questions, but they were probably hired out by an extremist group that asked extremely leading and misleading questions in order to skew the results.

nimh wrote:

Snood, it is one interesting story, and I thought about posting it here too, but then I saw the poll was done by Zogby. Conservatives hate Zogby, so most of 'em wont even bother replying - too easy to blame the messenger. Like, "oh, Zogby <throw away gesture>"

Really??

I remember when conservatives loved Zogby and liberals hated them.

parados wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:

Whether they do think that or not, and whatever the reason, they're wrong. The invasion was the only way to be certain that Saddam Hussein would not have access to doomsday weapons.

I think we need to invade Iraq again. Saddam could be building a nuke in his jail cell. There is ONLY one way to be certain after all. Right Brandon?

Flawed logic, as usual. At the moment of the invasion, based on the totality of the history, there was a reasonable probability that Hussein was continuing to hide WMD. There is a vanishingly small probability that he is building a nuke in his jail cell.

Man, I gotta hand it to you - you surely blow smoke very well. The case has been made over and over by you rightwingnuts that the military is pro-Republican and pro-Bush. At least you make that case when you think it serves to buoy up your perverted reasoning about why we are taking military action in the first place. And now that there is hard evidence that this military in this war is more against being in Iraq than for - you sidestep and pull a lot of pseudo-authoritative stuff about what "any" fighting man in "any" war would do.

Well, my full-of-BS- Bushophile friend, this isn't 'any' war - this is BUSH's war. This is the war he insisted on - he had to have - he sent Powell to the UN to make a fabricated case about - he changed rationalizations for so many times, no one has accurate count.

The FACT is that most Americans don't want to be there anymore. The FACT is that most soldiers don't want to be there anymore. You can't sell that Lee Greenwood proud-to-be-an-American-and-spread-freedom crap right now, so you try to peddle some other crap about weak liberals.

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

snood wrote:

Man, I gotta hand it to you - you surely blow smoke very well. The case has been made over and over by you rightwingnuts that the military is pro-Republican and pro-Bush. At least you make that case when you think it serves to buoy up your perverted reasoning about why we are taking military action in the first place. And now that there is hard evidence that this military in this war is more against being in Iraq than for - you sidestep and pull a lot of pseudo-authoritative stuff about what "any" fighting man in "any" war would do.

Well, my full-of-BS- Bushophile friend, this isn't 'any' war - this is BUSH's war. This is the war he insisted on - he had to have - he sent Powell to the UN to make a fabricated case about - he changed rationalizations for so many times, no one has accurate count.

The FACT is that most Americans don't want to be there anymore. The FACT is that most soldiers don't want to be there anymore. You can't sell that Lee Greenwood proud-to-be-an-American-and-spread-freedom crap right now, so you try to peddle some other crap about weak liberals.

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

When you decided to speak as an authority on behalf of soldiers, i wanted to know what experience you had that would have led you to believe that you were able to act so smugly is all.

I would dare you you lack the credentials to speak for the marines fighting in the front lines as well. Wouldn't you agree? Not to discount your military experience in the least, I am glad you serve with distinction.

McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

Man, I gotta hand it to you - you surely blow smoke very well. The case has been made over and over by you rightwingnuts that the military is pro-Republican and pro-Bush. At least you make that case when you think it serves to buoy up your perverted reasoning about why we are taking military action in the first place. And now that there is hard evidence that this military in this war is more against being in Iraq than for - you sidestep and pull a lot of pseudo-authoritative stuff about what "any" fighting man in "any" war would do.

Well, my full-of-BS- Bushophile friend, this isn't 'any' war - this is BUSH's war. This is the war he insisted on - he had to have - he sent Powell to the UN to make a fabricated case about - he changed rationalizations for so many times, no one has accurate count.

The FACT is that most Americans don't want to be there anymore. The FACT is that most soldiers don't want to be there anymore. You can't sell that Lee Greenwood proud-to-be-an-American-and-spread-freedom crap right now, so you try to peddle some other crap about weak liberals.

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

When you decided to speak as an authority on behalf of soldiers, i wanted to know what experience you had that would have led you to believe that you were able to act so smugly is all.

I would dare you you lack the credentials to speak for the marines fighting in the front lines as well. Wouldn't you agree? Not to discount your military experience in the least, I am glad you serve with distinction.

I didn't pretend to speak for anyone - I quoted a Zogby poll, and shared my opinion. The "smugly" thing sounds like your issue, not mine. But thanks for sharing.

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

Did you ask me a question? Ooops! Probably because I ignore large portions of what you say, McG.

snood wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

Man, I gotta hand it to you - you surely blow smoke very well. The case has been made over and over by you rightwingnuts that the military is pro-Republican and pro-Bush. At least you make that case when you think it serves to buoy up your perverted reasoning about why we are taking military action in the first place. And now that there is hard evidence that this military in this war is more against being in Iraq than for - you sidestep and pull a lot of pseudo-authoritative stuff about what "any" fighting man in "any" war would do.

Well, my full-of-BS- Bushophile friend, this isn't 'any' war - this is BUSH's war. This is the war he insisted on - he had to have - he sent Powell to the UN to make a fabricated case about - he changed rationalizations for so many times, no one has accurate count.

The FACT is that most Americans don't want to be there anymore. The FACT is that most soldiers don't want to be there anymore. You can't sell that Lee Greenwood proud-to-be-an-American-and-spread-freedom crap right now, so you try to peddle some other crap about weak liberals.

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

When you decided to speak as an authority on behalf of soldiers, i wanted to know what experience you had that would have led you to believe that you were able to act so smugly is all.

I would dare you you lack the credentials to speak for the marines fighting in the front lines as well. Wouldn't you agree? Not to discount your military experience in the least, I am glad you serve with distinction.

I didn't pretend to speak for anyone - I quoted a Zogby poll, and shared my opinion. The "smugly" thing sounds like your issue, not mine. But thanks for sharing.

Oh, when you said:

Quote:

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

I led me to believe that you counted yourself as an authority on how soldiers thought. If that is not what you meant, then what is you were saying?

McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

Man, I gotta hand it to you - you surely blow smoke very well. The case has been made over and over by you rightwingnuts that the military is pro-Republican and pro-Bush. At least you make that case when you think it serves to buoy up your perverted reasoning about why we are taking military action in the first place. And now that there is hard evidence that this military in this war is more against being in Iraq than for - you sidestep and pull a lot of pseudo-authoritative stuff about what "any" fighting man in "any" war would do.

Well, my full-of-BS- Bushophile friend, this isn't 'any' war - this is BUSH's war. This is the war he insisted on - he had to have - he sent Powell to the UN to make a fabricated case about - he changed rationalizations for so many times, no one has accurate count.

The FACT is that most Americans don't want to be there anymore. The FACT is that most soldiers don't want to be there anymore. You can't sell that Lee Greenwood proud-to-be-an-American-and-spread-freedom crap right now, so you try to peddle some other crap about weak liberals.

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

When you decided to speak as an authority on behalf of soldiers, i wanted to know what experience you had that would have led you to believe that you were able to act so smugly is all.

I would dare you you lack the credentials to speak for the marines fighting in the front lines as well. Wouldn't you agree? Not to discount your military experience in the least, I am glad you serve with distinction.

I didn't pretend to speak for anyone - I quoted a Zogby poll, and shared my opinion. The "smugly" thing sounds like your issue, not mine. But thanks for sharing.

Oh, when you said:

Quote:

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

I led me to believe that you counted yourself as an authority on how soldiers thought. If that is not what you meant, then what is you were saying?

Let's put it this way, McG - I have at least as much "authority" on the issue as... oh let me see... YOU do.

[Oh, when you said:

Quote:

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

I led me to believe that you counted yourself as an authority on how soldiers thought. If that is not what you meant, then what is you were saying?

McGentrix wrote:

[Oh, when you said:

Quote:

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...

I led me to believe that you counted yourself as an authority on how soldiers thought. If that is not what you meant, then what is you were saying?

McG, you do realize SOME is not the same as ALL, don't you? Snood is right. It seems to be YOUR ISSUE and not his. He never claimed to speak for all nor did he claim all soldiers think alike.

dlowan wrote:

Actually, Fedral, I think you will find that soldiers ALWAYS want to come home, but do NOT always think they should "get out of there".


I think of my uncle's letters from England during WW II, where he flew bombers over germany...especially the letter sent on D Day, as he waited to take off on what he obviously knew, as always, might be his last mission.


Sure, he wanted to come home, but he also clearly felt that what he was doing was worth the horror, and was deeply frustrated that others were flying while ha was still on the ground.

Maybe its because the people and press at home weren't tearing the war effort down continuously, or finding allied conspiracies under every tree.

How much of that has been in combat Snood?

McGentrix wrote:

How much of that has been in combat Snood?

Typical snide hatefulness--how much combat time did you log, wise guy?