Soldiers are saying - "Get us Outta Here!"

McGentrix wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . . you must get indigestion a lot, McWhitey . . . all the bile you spew, you really must be full of it . . .

You send me this PM:

Setanta wrote:
I reported your last post regarding me in which you described me as being full of ****. I truly pity your family, and i can imagine the relief with which your children will someday shake the dust of your hateful house from their shoes.

and have the gall to accuse me of spewing bile? Perhaps an enema would help your attitude.

I see a

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in this thread's future.

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Oh, maybe not. Maybe we can ressurect a discussion about whether the opinions of the men and women on the ground in Iraq are important. That's a discussion people only seem to want to have when those opinions mirror their own.

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Instigate wrote:

Where in the poll did the troops suggest that it is a "fiasco"? Or did the author just throw that word in because it resonates with his TARGET AUDIENCE.

dunno about the poll. do remember that my nephew's buddy got back from combat in iraq after a long deployment and told us it was a waste of time and not worth it. also decided to leave the marines after a run of 10 or so years.

i guess since he's not much of a liberal he came to the conclusions based on what he saw, not what the evil media told him to think...

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...and that's the point. There are real men and women with real experience, and families and hopes and everything - from all walks of life - who are increasingly coming to the realization that we are in an unsalvageable situation there.

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snood wrote:

...and that's the point. There are real men and women with real experience, and families and hopes and everything - from all walks of life - who are increasingly coming to the realization that we are in an unsalvageable situation there.

Perhaps, but that can't be determined from a questionable poll that uses highly misleading questions.

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oralloy wrote:

snood wrote:
...and that's the point. There are real men and women with real experience, and families and hopes and everything - from all walks of life - who are increasingly coming to the realization that we are in an unsalvageable situation there.

Perhaps, but that can't be determined from a questionable poll that uses highly misleading questions.

Well, how would you "determine" it, Oralloy? I talk to soldiers, read the papers and cruise the net. From what I see, the war is getting more and more unpopular by a wider and wider cross section of people.

And just by the by, I think someone would have to be quite a fool or in pathological denial not to see that.

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I couldn't agree more. It's such a shame that those people are the ones you barely hear of. They are there fighting a war they don't believe in and the government repays them by drowning their thoughts.
It'll be interesting when this mess is all over (if it ever ends) and all the troops come home to tell theor stories.
I wonder how Bush intends to shut them up then.

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snood wrote:

Well, how would you "determine" it, Oralloy?

How about an honest poll that uses questions that are not misleading?

In addition, you could look at reenlistment rates.

Reports I've heard are that reenlistment rates have remained quite high to this point. If there really is a sudden change of opinion on the part of the soldiers, I'd guess reenlistment rates will start to drop off.

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snood wrote:

...and that's the point. There are real men and women with real experience, and families and hopes and everything - from all walks of life - who are increasingly coming to the realization that we are in an unsalvageable situation there.

"there are real men and women..." yep.

sometimes i feel like when people give with the "I support the Troops" stuff that they aren't really understanding that what you said is the truth.

"the troops" are not just a faceless, nameless entity. it's a group of living, breathing and even, gasp!, thinking, human beings.

there's a bitter irony for me when the same people who are always announcing their support of the troops and crowing about the "heroes" turn around and come off with the attitude like, "hey, they don't bein' in combat? tough." "they wanna go home? too bad."

it's especially hard to take when a guy, who shall remain nameless, that went through all kinds of contortions to beat the regular military and then couldn't even fulfill his duty in a cushy guard unit stands there with his choda pushed out and tells the bad guys to "bring it on".

always the cheerleader. never the lineman. the fans in the bleachers went wild.

and then they went for a coke and some popcorn.

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oralloy wrote:

snood wrote:
Well, how would you "determine" it, Oralloy?

How about an honest poll that uses questions that are not misleading?

and who would you trust to do that?

In addition, you could look at reenlistment rates.

Reports I've heard are that reenlistment rates have remained quite high to this point. If there really is a sudden change of opinion on the part of the soldiers, I'd guess reenlistment rates will start to drop off.

the pentagon has reduced the enlistment quotas. and as of the other day, national guard enlistment alone is down 24%.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

oralloy wrote:
snood wrote:
Well, how would you "determine" it, Oralloy?

How about an honest poll that uses questions that are not misleading?

and who would you trust to do that?

In addition, you could look at reenlistment rates.

Reports I've heard are that reenlistment rates have remained quite high to this point. If there really is a sudden change of opinion on the part of the soldiers, I'd guess reenlistment rates will start to drop off.

the pentagon has reduced the enlistment quotas. and as of the other day, national guard enlistment alone is down 24%.

Those re-up rates are tricky. They don't tell you how many new cash bonuses are being offered, or other little tidbits that would add different nuances of perspective to the impression that re-up rates equals agreement with/popularity of our current military mission.

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Any time someone brings up a survey taken among serving troops, I'm reminded of an old anecdote - an anecdote in principle probably only slightly less ancient than uniformed military;

The troops are lined up all spit-and-polish for the Commanding General's inspection. Pausing before an impeccably turned out, if a bit grizzled, ribbon-bedecked, old veteran whose uniform sleeve is filled shoulder-to-cuff with stripes, the Commanding General asks: "How's the chow in this outfit, Sarge?"

The vet responds: ""Sir! The chow is fine, Sir, excellent, really, what little there is of it, Sir."

Taken somewhat aback, the Comanding General exclaims "What do you mean, Sarge - are you saying you're not getting enough chow?"

The vet answers: "Sir! No, Sir, that's not what I mean at all, Sir! Theres plenty of chow, Sir, more than enough, really, as lousy as it is, Sir."

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The point that surveys and polls of actively serving troops are not the most reliable is well taken.

Which affects the standing proposal that the troops are more and more in line with the majority of Americans in their disagreement with our presence in Iraq, not at all.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

and who would you trust to do that?

How about another Zogby poll, only this time with Zogby setting the questions himself?

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I have yet to see any supporter of the Shrub and his Forty Theives of Baghdad flatly deny that proposition. Instead, they have picked at the scab--they'ver suggested (Brandon) that the troops don't know why they are in Iraq (he cracks me up, he has totally surrendered to his own fantasy); they've suggested the poll is flawed (Oralloy) without denying the basick proposition that the troops do not support the mission; finally, they've suggested (the Big Bird) that this is just typical military carping.

Not a single supporter of this war has offered a substatial contention that the proposition is not true.

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Oh yeah, and that crap about re-enlistment rates? That cracked me up . . . i am reminded of the Reagan administration and the unemployment rate. They added active duty servicemen and -women to the employment rates, and drove down the percentage of the unemployed--rosey news for the boys at Pennsylvania Avenue. No surprise that the folks at DoD would use a similar technique to create the illusion of high rates of re-enlistment.

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Let's just start picking them up at the closest safe border and flying them home.

This whole thing has gone the way everything Bush touches goes. Just look at his oil company Arbusto.

America has gone Arbusto.

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timberlandko wrote:

Any time someone brings up a survey taken among serving troops, I'm reminded of an old anecdote - an anecdote in principle probably only slightly less ancient than uniformed military;

The troops are lined up all spit-and-polish for the Commanding General's inspection. Pausing before an impeccably turned out, if a bit grizzled, ribbon-bedecked, old veteran whose uniform sleeve is filled shoulder-to-cuff with stripes, the Commanding General asks: "How's the chow in this outfit, Sarge?"

The vet responds: ""Sir! The chow is fine, Sir, excellent, really, what little there is of it, Sir."

Taken somewhat aback, the Comanding General exclaims "What do you mean, Sarge - are you saying you're not getting enough chow?"

The vet answers: "Sir! No, Sir, that's not what I mean at all, Sir! Theres plenty of chow, Sir, more than enough, really, as lousy as it is, Sir."

really... i love the line in Private Ryan; "now there's a guy that knows how to gripe"....

as much as my pop loved being in the navy, to this day he still refuses to eat at a cafeteria or to stand in line for his munchies.

Soldiers are saying - "Get us Outta Here!"

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