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Soldiers are saying - "Get us Outta Here!"

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 01:17 am
oralloy wrote:
The evidence is their lack of a proper uniform.

In addition, any guerrilla tactics they used would count as well.

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Edit: Guerrilla tactics would make them count as a saboteur. Guerrilla tactics would not in themselves be a war crime though.



Actually disregard the bits about guerrilla tactics. Not sure what I was thinking.

The answer should just be:

    The evidence is their lack of a proper uniform.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 01:18 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
To me, and possibly the vast majority of people, the majority of detainees DID qualify. See previous posts for reasons.


They'd have to have been wearing proper uniforms in combat in order to qualify.



Lord Ellpus wrote:
Quote:
"I think war criminals are typically tried in military tribunals such as a court marshal."


Courts Martial? Why? For what reason?


They are soldiers. Soldiers are tried in military tribunals. Civilian trials are for civilians.



Lord Ellpus wrote:
War criminals? Quite a statement. As previously stated, the MAJORITY of detainees were captured during, or after, open conventional warfare.
Please provide evidence that this majority are in any way "war criminals".


No uniform = war criminal.



Lord Ellpus wrote:
Quote:
"Geneva 4 allows such people to be detained incommunicado for the security of the state."


For how long? Surely the wars are over? Didn't your fine President announce to the world...."Mission accomplished" ?

Please would you be good enough to give me some idea of what you consider to be a reasonable duration of detention.

3 years? 10? 25? What?


The wars are not over. Al-Qa'ida and the Taliban continue to fight us.

There is no set "reasonable duration". It just continues until the war is over.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 01:41 am
oralloy wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
as we say out here in the old west "Pissing in the wind"


I pissed into the wind once.

I was a lot younger. And though I don't remember exactly, I was probably pretty drunk. Don't really remember where I was either, but it was quite windy. The first gust of wind that hit me, I decided I should aim in a different direction than straight upwind.

Never forgot that lesson either.

Embarrassed


Apparently you have misunderstood that as well.

"Pissing in the wind" is not the same as "pissing into the wind".

The analogy is more apt than you think.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 01:46 am
timberlandko wrote:
Whether you believe it or not, Lord E, the conditions of Geneva 3 were not met by the detainees, nor are they met by those currently engaged in the insurgency. The detainees and the active insurgents are, regardless of your preference, war criminals.


Oh. People defending their homeland (and by all accounts also, some disinterested bystanders) are war criminals, and a man who bombs and lays waste a defenceless country is a war president.

Right.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 01:47 am
Timber, oralloy et al, I have hit a brick wall, methinks. Why waste any more time.

Do you see how this whole Guantanamo thing is being perceived by the rest of the world?

The land of the free.......
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talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 01:49 am
Invading a country without provocation except to steal its resources shows who is the criminal.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 01:57 am
Makes no difference, NO one has ever fought a foe like this before and old rules are not valid.

bin Laden, Al Quada and others have laid out long range plans to KILL or Convert or Subjugate everyone IN THE WORLD and put all those left under a Taliban form of governemnt.

Go tell the Taliban about following rules!

There are at least 100,000,000
Moslems fanatics who are willing to take up arms against those who disagree with their goals.

They do not care if they die as their make believe god will take care of them.(ALL gods are make-believe) They do not care who they have to kill or what they have to do to will.

They have been killing us since 1973 and they are NOT going to stop until we kill or capture enough of them to cause them to stop.

PERIOD!

The danger RIGHT NOW, CHILDREN, is worse than than WW11 was and people better wake the hell up and get a clue.

Neil C Reinhardt

71 year old Vet
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:05 am
And another point.

TRUE guerrilla's do NOT commit terrorist acts.

Guerrilla's like our military, try to not cause any more damage to non military targets and non-goverment forces than posssible.

They NEVER commit terrorist acts designed to kill and/or injure non-combatants.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:11 am
"Invading a country without provocation except to steal its resources shows who is the criminal."

My my only someone who is SO CLUELESS they either DENY facts or they are TOO STUPID to be able to comprehend facts would say that.

ANYONE with a WORKING brain and a suffiecent knowledge of the facts KNOWS

"Invading a country without provocation except to steal its resources shows who is the criminal."

is a TOTALLY STUPID and EXTREAMLY ASININE comment.

Neil C. Reinhardt
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talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:15 am
You are violating TOS. If you cannot debate then don't.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:25 am
Debate? Debate with people whose statments prove they do not have suffiecent knowledge of a subject to debate?

Debate with people who deny facts or are too lazy (or too dumb) to learn them?

How you anyone debate with people like that?

HERE LEARN!

This is a forum has on-going and up-dated information on Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran other Middle Eastern Countries and our war on terror, should go to this forum.
EDIT: MODERATOR: LINK REMOVED

There is LOTS of information in it now and there will be much more as I'm really very sick & tired of people who are too lazy to find out the MANY facts which PROVE our war in Iraq was both fully justified and a very necessary part of our war on terror.

There was a lot of PROOF before the war and with the captured Iraqi documents, audio-tapes and statments from high ranking Iraqi officals there is even more proof now.

EDIT: MODERATOR: LINK REMOVED
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:27 am
Noni,

I think if you do a little research, you will find many posters on A2K agree with you. You will, of course, find those that don't agree with you also.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:34 am
Don't give us your neocon version.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:45 am
snood wrote:
Fedral wrote:
I'd venture a guess to say that if, after a couple of years of sustained combat, you had asked soldiers fighting ANY war if they want it over and want to come home, the answer would have been a resounding YES.

Being in combat isn't fun.
Soldiers don't LIKE killing people. (No matter WHAT you Liberal friends say.)
NO ONE wants to be away from their friends and family for long periods of time.

If you read any NON fiction about the soldiers in World War One, Two, Korea, Vietnam and the First Gulf War, you will find a common thread through all them.

We are TIRED and we want to come HOME !

That doesn't mean that they are allowed to, just because they WANT to.

That's why the military isn't a Democracy...
The people above you decide when it is over.
If they ran the military any other way:
1) Half your troops would vote to go home after their first fire fight.
2) Most of the rest would decide to leave the Theatre of Operations within a year.
3) No Army would ever achieve their stated abjectives because everyone would 'vote' to go home.
4) The cart doesn't pull the horse and soldiers don't get to vote whether to go home or not.
5) Doing things any other way leads to anarchy and an ineffective military.


Man, I gotta hand it to you - you surely blow smoke very well. The case has been made over and over by you rightwingnuts that the military is pro-Republican and pro-Bush. At least you make that case when you think it serves to buoy up your perverted reasoning about why we are taking military action in the first place. And now that there is hard evidence that this military in this war is more against being in Iraq than for - you sidestep and pull a lot of pseudo-authoritative stuff about what "any" fighting man in "any" war would do.

Well, my full-of-BS- Bushophile friend, this isn't 'any' war - this is BUSH's war. This is the war he insisted on - he had to have - he sent Powell to the UN to make a fabricated case about - he changed rationalizations for so many times, no one has accurate count.

The FACT is that most Americans don't want to be there anymore. The FACT is that most soldiers don't want to be there anymore. You can't sell that Lee Greenwood proud-to-be-an-American-and-spread-freedom crap right now, so you try to peddle some other crap about weak liberals.

And please - don't presume to tell me how soldiers think. I should have some idea withut your advice - I've been active duty for 16 years and counting...



ANY YOU KNOW MOST AMERICANS WHO SERVING IN IRAQ NOW DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE AND FINISH THE JOB?

YOU ARE THE ONE BLOWING SMOKE!

Look Child, there is NO way for you to know that UNLESS YOU have asked EACH ONE!

HOW many blogs written by our service people IN IRAQ DO YOU READ?

I doubt it is as many as I read.

How many blogs written by our service people who were there do you read?

I doubt it is as many as I read.

And it is NOT (As anyone who has sufficent knowledge knows) BUSH"S WAR!

I am NOT a BUSH fan, I HATE his pushing his religion and some of his other policies. I am an Atheist and an Independent so do not be so ignorant as to say I am a Neo-Con or a Republican.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:50 am
Now some dodo says I am an neo-con.

PROVEING how totally uninformed they are and how they, like all clueless people do, assume.

All they really prove is their ignorance. (Which is massive.)
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talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:57 am
You are part of the military-industrial complex and what Ike said is true.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 02:58 am
Hi Momma Angel,

Yes, I know that and thank you for your note. i just get so sick and tired of people who comment prove they either DENY facts or are too lazy (Or too stupid) to learn them shoot off their ignorant mouths like they actually have a clue.

There are over 100,000,000 Moslem reigious fanatics who want to kill us all and these fools act like we are discussing the score of some game,

I just do not suffer fools to well at all.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 03:05 am
talk72000 wrote:
You are part of the military-industrial complex and what Ike said is true.


Oh poor clueless baby again proving how he/she/it assumes.

Yes Child, over 40 years ago I was in the service. I am one of those who put our lives on the line so fools like you can sit around in freedom and show others how much they do not know.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 03:08 am
So you haven't learnt from Vietnam.
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NoniNeil
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 03:11 am
And "talk", did you even bother to read any of the over 60 articles in my fourm proving are wrong you are before you said they were a neo-con version?

I strongly doubt it as your most probably neither open-minded or intelligent enough to have done so.

Nope, you act like you are one of those who think they know
everything when they really know next to nothing.
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