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Who Would Vote For bush Again?

 
 
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 03:54 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Quote:
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02


threat
A noun
1 threat
declaration of an intention or a determination to inflict harm on another; "his threat to kill me was quite explicit"

2 threat
a warning that something unpleasant is imminent; "they were under threat of arrest"


On the contrary, something can be a threat in the making. The word does not contain the idea of imminence. "He had made some nasty threats about what was going to happen when his jail sentence ended."


so now the dictionary is wrong ??

jeez louise, brandon, even your example uses the concept of imminence.

what do think "in the making" says ? it says "it will be here".

that is imminence.

the eventual, but certain, ending of a jail sentence is an imminent release.

dude, you're just playing the word game,

whether a person says "the house is burning to the ground" or "the house is on fire", the meaning is still the same.

In my example, the word "threat" is used correctly, without any implication whatever that the event in question is just about to occur.


wrong. read the definitions again brando..

and if the event "is not about to occur", then there is (and was not) a "unique urgency".
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 03:58 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Quote:
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02


threat
A noun
1 threat
declaration of an intention or a determination to inflict harm on another; "his threat to kill me was quite explicit"

2 threat
a warning that something unpleasant is imminent; "they were under threat of arrest"


On the contrary, something can be a threat in the making. The word does not contain the idea of imminence. "He had made some nasty threats about what was going to happen when his jail sentence ended."


so now the dictionary is wrong ??

jeez louise, brandon, even your example uses the concept of imminence.

what do think "in the making" says ? it says "it will be here".

that is imminence.

the eventual, but certain, ending of a jail sentence is an imminent release.

dude, you're just playing the word game,

whether a person says "the house is burning to the ground" or "the house is on fire", the meaning is still the same.

In my example, the word "threat" is used correctly, without any implication whatever that the event in question is just about to occur.


wrong. read the definitions again brando..

and if the event "is not about to occur", then there is (and was not) a "unique urgency".

I'm not discussing "unique urgency" right now, only "threat." I find that the arguments are clearer if I discuss one thing at a time. Do you believe that my sentence, "He had made some nasty threats about what was going to happen when his jail sentence ended," which clearly allows the possibility of a long sentence, is an incorrect use of the word threat?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 03:59 pm
In retrospect, as a diplmatic gesture, the U. S. could have sent Cheney to Hussein and they could have gone hunting.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:00 pm
cjhsa wrote:
There was absolutely a connection between Hussein and 9/11, whether Bush & Co. tried to sell it or not.

To think otherwise is to put your naiveity on display for all.


evidential proof, please.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:01 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
Cheney attempting to link Hussein with Al Qaeda and consequently 9/11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Surely it is obvious that Hussein might have had links to Al Qaeda without being a participant in each and every Al Qaeda mission. Why do I even need to point out something so elementary? If I say that someone has links to organized crime, am I thereby accusing him of having participated in every single mob crime?
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username
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:10 pm
What is now obvious is that he didn't, Brandon. What you call "elementary" is completely counter-factual, no matter how often you repeat it. Do we really need to tell you once again what is obvious? Radical Islam, like alQaeda hates secular Ilamic governments nearly as much as it hates the West. They have repeatedly tried to topple them. Saddam and Qaeda had no love lost between them. despite the Bush administrations increasingly desparate attempts to do so, no one has been able to show any operational involvement between Qaeda and Saddam. If you have any evidence to the contrary that has survived extensive international scrutiny, you are invited to present it.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:20 pm
CI, DTOM, Username, LW, Maggie

It's not really worth it is it? Nothing is going to change.

Anon
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:22 pm
Politicians play with semantics and concoct stories that are blatant inferences not much better than neighborhood gossip. Sometimes clever and sometimes not-so-clever. I guess the "clever guage" is how many who want to believe something from very flimsy evidence because of the politician. Right about now only a third of the American public believes in Bush as a President. That means two-thirds do not believe in Bush.

I think Bush and Co. can run Al Qaeda out of Iraq on an aluminum rod.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:25 pm
Anybody watching Jon Stewart on The Daily Show? He's just having a field day with the administration's antics and most of the time he can do it with an expression. They manage to open their mouths almost on a daily basis and make fools out of themselves. It's The Greatest Show on Earth and some of us, thank gawd a minority, are the suckers.

Bill Maher ditto. Can't wait for Friday's show after Bush's press conferance today which he stuttered through with the same broken record speechifying. He really answered no questions, he just diverted them.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:28 pm
Even with the obvious evidence that you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time, diehard Bush supporters will continue to play word games until their favorite messiah is hung up to dry.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:29 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Either provide a quotation (with link) of a high ranking administration source stating that Iraq participated in 9/11, or have the decency to stop claiming it. You're in the absurd position of making an accusation that someone said something without a shred of evidence that it's so. Why other people believe something is a subject for interesting speculation, but certainly not proof that someone in the administration said it. Just give us the quote or go away.



December 9, 2001

The Vice President Appears on NBC's Meet the Press

........

RUSSERT: Let me turn to Iraq. When you were last on this program, September 16, five days after the attack on our country, I asked you whether there was any evidence that Iraq was involved in the attack and you said no.

Since that time, a couple of articles have appeared which I want to get you to react to. The first: The Czech interior minister said today that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta, one of the ringleaders of the September 11 terrorists attacks on the United States, just five months before the synchronized hijackings and mass killings were carried out.

And this from James Woolsey, former CIA director (and a fellow member of PNAC - dtom): ``We know that at Salman Pak, in the southern edge of Baghdad, five different eye witnesses--three Iraqi defectors and two American U.N. inspectors--have said, and now there are aerial photographs to show it, a Boeing 707 that was used for training of hijackers, including non-Iraqi hijackers, trained very secretly to take over airplanes with knives.''

And we have photographs. As you can see that little white speck, and there it is.

RUSSERT: The plane on the ground in Iraq used to train non-Iraqi hijackers.

Do you still believe there is no evidence that Iraq was involved in September 11?

CHENEY: Well, what we now have that's developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that's been pretty well confirmed, that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack.

Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don't know at this point. But that's clearly an avenue that we want to pursue.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20011209.html

----

here's a short movie clip of that portion of the interview;

http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/june2004/06-21-04-fib2.mov

and another short clip of a subsequent interview;

http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/june2004/06-21-04-cheney-fib-all.mov

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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:30 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
Anybody watching Jon Stewart on The Daily Show? He's just having a field day with the administration's antics and most of the time he can do it with an expression. They manage to open their mouths almost on a daily basis and make fools out of themselves. It's The Greatest Show on Earth and some of us, thank gawd a minority, are the suckers.

Bill Maher ditto. Can't wait for Friday's show after Bush's press conferance today that he stuttered through with the same broken record speechifying. He really answered no questions, he just diverted them.


I'll have to see when he's on. It would be fun to watch. What's the time slot?

Anon
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:31 pm
Impeachment Arguments and Details of Bush Crimes
Arrow Lies about Iraq
Arrow Torture of Prisoners
Arrow Illegal Wiretaps
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:36 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Even with the obvious evidence that you can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time, diehard Bush supporters will continue to play word games until their favorite messiah is hung up to dry.


They don't care about the truth CI. All that is important is that they be Bush apologists to the bloody end. It just isn't worth time and effort trying to be be logical with those that have no logic. It's not possible. I suggest we just let it go!!

Anon
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:38 pm
Anon, You are correct; it's a hopeless, impossible issue to discuss with people of closed minds and no logic.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:43 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
Quote:
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02


threat
A noun
1 threat
declaration of an intention or a determination to inflict harm on another; "his threat to kill me was quite explicit"

2 threat
a warning that something unpleasant is imminent; "they were under threat of arrest"


On the contrary, something can be a threat in the making. The word does not contain the idea of imminence. "He had made some nasty threats about what was going to happen when his jail sentence ended."


so now the dictionary is wrong ??

jeez louise, brandon, even your example uses the concept of imminence.

what do think "in the making" says ? it says "it will be here".

that is imminence.

the eventual, but certain, ending of a jail sentence is an imminent release.

dude, you're just playing the word game,

whether a person says "the house is burning to the ground" or "the house is on fire", the meaning is still the same.

In my example, the word "threat" is used correctly, without any implication whatever that the event in question is just about to occur.


wrong. read the definitions again brando..

and if the event "is not about to occur", then there is (and was not) a "unique urgency".

I'm not discussing "unique urgency" right now, only "threat." I find that the arguments are clearer if I discuss one thing at a time. Do you believe that my sentence, "He had made some nasty threats about what was going to happen when his jail sentence ended," which clearly allows the possibility of a long sentence, is an incorrect use of the word threat?


it is the "one thing" brando. here is what bush said again;

Quote:
"The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
- President Bush, 10/2/02


go back and read our entire exchange, including the definitions.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:44 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
CHENEY: Well, what we now have that's developed since you and I last talked, Tim, of course, was that report that's been pretty well confirmed, that he did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack.

Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don't know at this point. But that's clearly an avenue that we want to pursue.


Cheney was responding to Russert asking him to respond to the report from the Czech Interior Minister that an Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta 5 months before 9/11. He factually stated that report had "been pretty well confirmed."

And Stephen Hayes commented on this in the article I posted a few pages ago:

Quote:
No fewer than five high-ranking Czech officials have publicly confirmed that Mohammed Atta, the lead September 11 hijacker, met with Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence officer working at the Iraqi embassy, in Prague five months before the hijacking. Media leaks here and in the Czech Republic have called into question whether Atta was in Prague on the key dates--between April 4 and April 11, 2001. And several high-ranking administration officials are "agnostic" as to whether the meeting took place. Still, the public position of the Czech government to this day is that it did.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:45 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Lightwizard wrote:
Cheney attempting to link Hussein with Al Qaeda and consequently 9/11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Surely it is obvious that Hussein might have had links to Al Qaeda without being a participant in each and every Al Qaeda mission. Why do I even need to point out something so elementary? If I say that someone has links to organized crime, am I thereby accusing him of having participated in every single mob crime?


evidential proof, please.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:47 pm
Cheney's answered that question regarding the supposed meeting of Iraqi officials with members of Al Qaeda for at least two years with the same sly, out of the side of the mouth duplicated statement with no further evidence whatsoever. He's the one who has to put up or shut up.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Mar, 2006 04:56 pm
Righties continue to impose proof by others for what they claim that Saddam had links to Al Qaeda. Their ignorance is universal.
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