cicerone imposter wrote:3.
June 29, 2005, 9:12 a.m.
It's All About 9/11
The president links Iraq and al Qaeda Specifically, against Islamo-fascists who slaughtered 3000 Americans on September 11, 2001. But they are not the primary goal of this war, which is to destroy the network of Islamic militants who declared war against the United States when they bombed the World Trade Center on February 26, 1993, and finally jarred us into an appropriate response when they demolished that complex, struck the Pentagon, and killed 3000 of us on September 11, 2001.
That is why we are in Iraq.
I'm well aware that Islamic militants were behind 9/11. Iraq is a different matter. Please provide the link so that I can see which part of this was spoken by Bush.
Brandon, You'll never "get it," but one only needs to see the current polls on their belief that "Saddam and 9-11" were connected. "What part was spoken by Bush" can be found in Google.
Magginkat wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:2.
Published on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 by the Associated Press
9/11 Commission: No Link Between Al-Qaida and Saddam
by Hope Yen
WASHINGTON - Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was ``no credible evidence'' that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.
In a chilling report that sketched the history of Osama bin Laden's network, the commission said his far-flung training camps were ``apparently quite good.'' Terrorists-to-be were encouraged to ``think creatively about ways to commit mass murder,'' it added.
Bin Laden made overtures to Saddam for assistance, the commission said in the staff report, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorists Attacks Upon the United States (9-11 Commission) Gov. Thomas Kean looks on at the beginning of their final two-day hearing at the National Transportation Security Board conference center in Washington, June 16, 2004. The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks began its final hearings on Wednesday before delivering its findings at the end of next month. REUTERS/Larry Downing
While Saddam dispatched a senior Iraqi intelligence official to Sudan to meet with bin Laden in 1994, the commission said it had not turned up evidence of a ``collaborative relationship.''
The Bush administration has long claimed links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, and cited them as one reason for last year's invasion of Iraq.
This is irrelevant. We're not discussing any generic connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. We're talking about whether anyone in the administration said that Iraq participated in 9/11. Just post any quotation in which Bush and Co. claim that Iraq participted in 9/11.
Created on the principle that "you are with us or against us," Bush's administration is all of one mind. They are all neocons. There are no real conservatives or traditional Republicans in the Bush administration. This is the first administration in my lifetime in which there is no debate. The absence of debate means there is no check on reckless and ill-advised policies and corrupt schemes.
Neocons don't believe in debate. They specialize in slandering critics and stamping out debate. Dissent is not possible within the Bush administration, because dissent is equated with treason and anti-Americanism. "You are with us or against us." Increasingly, Republicans demonize their critics as "abettors of terrorism." The Republicans' intolerance for debate makes many Americans uneasy about the real purpose of the $385 million detention camp that Halliburton is building in the U.S. for the Bush administration.
Let's hope it's for the feeble minded who accept any lie told by that gang of thugs at 1600 Penn. Av.
This is very tiresome. Please provide any quotation by Bush saying or nearly saying that Iraq participated in 9/11, or have the decency to admit the truth - that you cannot.
Brandon, Another hint: think why so many today still think Saddam and 9-11 are connected. It wasn't because the lefties repeated it continously that that was so. Hint: Think republicans.
Probably because the media tells them to think that way by continually accusing the president of doing so.
cicerone imposter wrote:Brandon, You'll never "get it," but one only needs to see the current polls on their belief that "Saddam and 9-11" were connected. "What part was spoken by Bush" can be found in Google.
So, you decline to post a link to the article you quoted. I thought so.
I really can't see how an opinion survey proves that Bush said something. Since you are asserting that he did, it's rather puzzling why you won't provide a citation to him doing so. We've been going on page after page with you posting anything and everything except a citation to Bush saying what you claim he said. Citation please.
Brandon, You'll only refute what is presented. If you have interest in something, it's up to you to go find it. I've already found enough evidence to convince "me" of what I speak.
It's up to you to prove what I am saying is a lie; not the other way around.
4. Brandon, I know this is too spatial for you to see the connection.
(CBS) In the aftermath of Sept. 11, President Bush ordered his then top anti-terrorism adviser to look for a link between Iraq and the attacks, despite being told there didn't seem to be one.
The charge comes from the adviser, Richard Clarke, in an exclusive interview on 60 Minutes.
The administration maintains that it cannot find any evidence that the conversation about an Iraq-9/11 tie-in ever took place.
Clarke also tells CBS News Correspondent Lesley Stahl that White House officials were tepid in their response when he urged them months before Sept. 11 to meet to discuss what he saw as a severe threat from al Qaeda.
"Frankly," he said, "I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."
Clarke went on to say, "I think he's done a terrible job on the war against terrorism."
Read this press conference with the "President" from 2003, and see whether or not you think his justification for the war had any correspondence with reality, whether or not he maintained Iraq was an imminent military threat (whether or not he used that actual word) and whether or not he linked AlQaeda and Iraq. It's interesting to actually look back at what he said and realize how wrong he has always been.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html
cicerone imposter wrote:Brandon, Another hint: think why so many today still think Saddam and 9-11 are connected. It wasn't because the lefties repeated it continously that that was so. Hint: Think republicans.
Either provide a quotation (with link) of a high ranking administration source stating that Iraq participated in 9/11, or have the decency to stop claiming it. You're in the absurd position of making an accusation that someone said something without a shred of evidence that it's so. Why other people believe something is a subject for interesting speculation, but certainly not proof that someone in the administration said it. Just give us the quote or go away.
Hussein paid the families of Islamic terrorists. We got attacked by Islamic terrorists.
I guess I fail to see how you cannot make a connection.
So I don't see how it matters what Bush said or didn't say. We are at war with Islamic terrorists, and there seems to be a shitload of them in Iraq.
Brandon9000 wrote:Magginkat wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:2.
Published on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 by the Associated Press
9/11 Commission: No Link Between Al-Qaida and Saddam
by Hope Yen
WASHINGTON - Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was ``no credible evidence'' that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.
In a chilling report that sketched the history of Osama bin Laden's network, the commission said his far-flung training camps were ``apparently quite good.'' Terrorists-to-be were encouraged to ``think creatively about ways to commit mass murder,'' it added.
Bin Laden made overtures to Saddam for assistance, the commission said in the staff report, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorists Attacks Upon the United States (9-11 Commission) Gov. Thomas Kean looks on at the beginning of their final two-day hearing at the National Transportation Security Board conference center in Washington, June 16, 2004. The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks began its final hearings on Wednesday before delivering its findings at the end of next month. REUTERS/Larry Downing
While Saddam dispatched a senior Iraqi intelligence official to Sudan to meet with bin Laden in 1994, the commission said it had not turned up evidence of a ``collaborative relationship.''
The Bush administration has long claimed links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, and cited them as one reason for last year's invasion of Iraq.
This is irrelevant. We're not discussing any generic connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. We're talking about whether anyone in the administration said that Iraq participated in 9/11. Just post any quotation in which Bush and Co. claim that Iraq participted in 9/11.
Created on the principle that "you are with us or against us," Bush's administration is all of one mind. They are all neocons. There are no real conservatives or traditional Republicans in the Bush administration. This is the first administration in my lifetime in which there is no debate. The absence of debate means there is no check on reckless and ill-advised policies and corrupt schemes.
Neocons don't believe in debate. They specialize in slandering critics and stamping out debate. Dissent is not possible within the Bush administration, because dissent is equated with treason and anti-Americanism. "You are with us or against us." Increasingly, Republicans demonize their critics as "abettors of terrorism." The Republicans' intolerance for debate makes many Americans uneasy about the real purpose of the $385 million detention camp that Halliburton is building in the U.S. for the Bush administration.
Let's hope it's for the feeble minded who accept any lie told by that gang of thugs at 1600 Penn. Av.
This is very tiresome. .
Let me suggest a nap old fella..
Brandon9000 wrote:Magginkat wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:2.
Published on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 by the Associated Press
9/11 Commission: No Link Between Al-Qaida and Saddam
by Hope Yen
WASHINGTON - Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was ``no credible evidence'' that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.
In a chilling report that sketched the history of Osama bin Laden's network, the commission said his far-flung training camps were ``apparently quite good.'' Terrorists-to-be were encouraged to ``think creatively about ways to commit mass murder,'' it added.
Bin Laden made overtures to Saddam for assistance, the commission said in the staff report, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorists Attacks Upon the United States (9-11 Commission) Gov. Thomas Kean looks on at the beginning of their final two-day hearing at the National Transportation Security Board conference center in Washington, June 16, 2004. The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks began its final hearings on Wednesday before delivering its findings at the end of next month. REUTERS/Larry Downing
While Saddam dispatched a senior Iraqi intelligence official to Sudan to meet with bin Laden in 1994, the commission said it had not turned up evidence of a ``collaborative relationship.''
The Bush administration has long claimed links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, and cited them as one reason for last year's invasion of Iraq.
This is irrelevant. We're not discussing any generic connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. We're talking about whether anyone in the administration said that Iraq participated in 9/11. Just post any quotation in which Bush and Co. claim that Iraq participted in 9/11.
Created on the principle that "you are with us or against us," Bush's administration is all of one mind. They are all neocons. There are no real conservatives or traditional Republicans in the Bush administration. This is the first administration in my lifetime in which there is no debate. The absence of debate means there is no check on reckless and ill-advised policies and corrupt schemes.
Neocons don't believe in debate. They specialize in slandering critics and stamping out debate. Dissent is not possible within the Bush administration, because dissent is equated with treason and anti-Americanism. "You are with us or against us." Increasingly, Republicans demonize their critics as "abettors of terrorism." The Republicans' intolerance for debate makes many Americans uneasy about the real purpose of the $385 million detention camp that Halliburton is building in the U.S. for the Bush administration.
Let's hope it's for the feeble minded who accept any lie told by that gang of thugs at 1600 Penn. Av.
This is very tiresome. .
Let me suggest a nap old fella..
cicerone imposter wrote:4. Brandon, I know this is too spatial for you to see the connection.
(CBS) In the aftermath of Sept. 11, President Bush ordered his then top anti-terrorism adviser to look for a link between Iraq and the attacks, despite being told there didn't seem to be one.
The charge comes from the adviser, Richard Clarke, in an exclusive interview on 60 Minutes.
The administration maintains that it cannot find any evidence that the conversation about an Iraq-9/11 tie-in ever took place.
Clarke also tells CBS News Correspondent Lesley Stahl that White House officials were tepid in their response when he urged them months before Sept. 11 to meet to discuss what he saw as a severe threat from al Qaeda.
"Frankly," he said, "I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."
Clarke went on to say, "I think he's done a terrible job on the war against terrorism."
Great, now please give me a quotation in which Bush said that Iraq was a participant in 9/11. This has gone on for pages and pages. You claim someone in the administration said this. Okay, please substantiate the claim with such a quotation.
Cheney is the one who stated in a speech that Iraq had a long term relationship with Al Queda. This was later repudiated. It's easy to find on the internet including the audio/video.
blueveinedthrobber wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:Magginkat wrote:Brandon9000 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:2.
Published on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 by the Associated Press
9/11 Commission: No Link Between Al-Qaida and Saddam
by Hope Yen
WASHINGTON - Bluntly contradicting the Bush administration, the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday there was ``no credible evidence'' that Saddam Hussein helped al-Qaida target the United States.
In a chilling report that sketched the history of Osama bin Laden's network, the commission said his far-flung training camps were ``apparently quite good.'' Terrorists-to-be were encouraged to ``think creatively about ways to commit mass murder,'' it added.
Bin Laden made overtures to Saddam for assistance, the commission said in the staff report, as he did with leaders in Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan and elsewhere as he sought to build an Islamic army.
Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorists Attacks Upon the United States (9-11 Commission) Gov. Thomas Kean looks on at the beginning of their final two-day hearing at the National Transportation Security Board conference center in Washington, June 16, 2004. The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks began its final hearings on Wednesday before delivering its findings at the end of next month. REUTERS/Larry Downing
While Saddam dispatched a senior Iraqi intelligence official to Sudan to meet with bin Laden in 1994, the commission said it had not turned up evidence of a ``collaborative relationship.''
The Bush administration has long claimed links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida, and cited them as one reason for last year's invasion of Iraq.
This is irrelevant. We're not discussing any generic connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. We're talking about whether anyone in the administration said that Iraq participated in 9/11. Just post any quotation in which Bush and Co. claim that Iraq participted in 9/11.
Created on the principle that "you are with us or against us," Bush's administration is all of one mind. They are all neocons. There are no real conservatives or traditional Republicans in the Bush administration. This is the first administration in my lifetime in which there is no debate. The absence of debate means there is no check on reckless and ill-advised policies and corrupt schemes.
Neocons don't believe in debate. They specialize in slandering critics and stamping out debate. Dissent is not possible within the Bush administration, because dissent is equated with treason and anti-Americanism. "You are with us or against us." Increasingly, Republicans demonize their critics as "abettors of terrorism." The Republicans' intolerance for debate makes many Americans uneasy about the real purpose of the $385 million detention camp that Halliburton is building in the U.S. for the Bush administration.
Let's hope it's for the feeble minded who accept any lie told by that gang of thugs at 1600 Penn. Av.
This is very tiresome. .
Let me suggest a nap old fella..
Translation: I have no ability to support my point, so I resort to insulting those who question my opinions. How pathetic.
Lightwizard wrote:Cheney is the one who stated in a speech that Iraq had a long term relationship with Al Queda. This was later repudiated. It's easy to find on the internet including the audio/video.
Since it's easy, please provide a link to Bush, Cheney, or any cabinet member saying that Iraq participated in 9/11.
Brandon, You're dreaming a wet dream; you will never see me "go away." On the other hand, your attempts at language shows how desperate you have become to continue your support for your messiah. What counts is not what you demand, but what the major media have already supported - the proposition that Bush and company have continually used the message that 9-11 and Iraq were connected. It's not what they said, but how they said it. Too spatial for you to understand.
Go back to school; you might learn something important.
cicerone imposter wrote:Brandon, You're dreaming a wet dream; you will never see me "go away." On the other hand, your attempts at language shows how desperate you have become to continue your support for your messiah. What counts is not what you demand, but what the major media have alreayd supported the proposition that Bush and company have continually used the message that 9-11 and Iraq were connected. It's not what they said, but how they said it. Too spatial for you to understand.
Go back to school; you might learn something important.
Irrelevant. You claim that someone in the administration said this. Please provide a link to the quotation.
It's only "irrerlevent" to people like you who can't see what "honesty and truth" is all about.
