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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:29 pm
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:32 pm
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.
guffaw
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:38 pm
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.


Okie...go look at the record.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:39 pm
woiyo wrote:

You people have very short memories.
I have a long memory, woiyo, thats the problem,

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The War - He was one of only a FEW who disagreed with the flawed tactics of the GW administration. He was one of the first to criticize Rumsfeld. He GW listened to McCain, this so called war would have been habneled in a much more efficient manner and American Lives would have been saved.

Fine if thats what you believe. I give him credit for supporting our policy of fighting terrorism, overall, but I don't take kindly to his constant nitpicking of policy. Legitimate disagreement, fine, but his is more problematic than that, and the surge is a good example. I don't think the surge is the main reason that violence is down in Iraq anyway.

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Taxes - Look at his voting record and get back to me.
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

Justices - You have a short memory. It was through HIS EFFORTS that the "gang of 14" was able to actually PUSH THROUGH some of these judges. What were the democrats doing before the Gang of 14. Remember the Fillibuster? the the stupid republicans wanted to change the rules, so the "Gang of 14" was created in an effort to maintain the rules but get judges appointed. IT WORKED.

As far as the rest, go through the link I provided, get familiar with his record, stop listening to the extreme wing nuts, and see for yourself if McCain is conservative enough for you.
If you insist upon insulting a fellow conservative, you are no better than your buddy, McCain, as he has made a practice of it. I throw a challenge to you. Can you name one issue wherein I am extreme, and your wingnut reference is offensive and an insult. I thought you were somewhat conservative, but you give pause to reconsider.

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I do not agree with 100% of McCains positions, nor Romney. But in my view, he will be a good Commander in Chief, Appoint conservative Judges, and be good steward of our taxes.

I hope you are right and that I am wrong, but I don't think McCain will be good for the country or the party.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:41 pm
dyslexia wrote:
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.
guffaw

More of the same nothingness from dyslexia, he has nothing of substance.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:44 pm
" If you insist upon insulting a fellow conservative, you are no better than your buddy, McCain, as he has made a practice of it. I throw a challenge to you. Can you name one issue wherein I am extreme, and your wingnut reference is offensive and an insult. I thought you were somewhat conservative, but you give pause to reconsider. "

I do not think I have insulted you. My wing nut statement is direct at the Limbaugh, Coulters etc... not you. However, these people due influence some peoples opinions. The link I posted is fact regarding McCains voting record. IN MY OPINION the GANG of 14 HELPED Bush get the judges appointed.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 12:45 pm
woiyo wrote:
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.


Okie...go look at the record.

I have been watching the record for quite a few years, woiyo, I don't need your website to tell me what I'm supposed to think about it. You obviously are not very in tune with the news these days, McCain is going to have alot of trouble with voters, beyond okie here, and if you want to label us all a bunch of wingnuts, you can get lost. This is what I am talking about, McCain can throw out his insults for years, and now he expects us all to toe the line, fall in line, and vote for the guy. Good luck.

By the way I am no fan of Coulter, and the Gang of 14 interpretation, there are differing ones.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:00 pm
okie wrote:
woiyo wrote:
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.


Okie...go look at the record.

I have been watching the record for quite a few years, woiyo, I don't need your website to tell me what I'm supposed to think about it. You obviously are not very in tune with the news these days, McCain is going to have alot of trouble with voters, beyond okie here, and if you want to label us all a bunch of wingnuts, you can get lost. This is what I am talking about, McCain can throw out his insults for years, and now he expects us all to toe the line, fall in line, and vote for the guy. Good luck.

By the way I am no fan of Coulter, and the Gang of 14 interpretation, there are differing ones.


All or nothing. Look where that governing style has gotten your team Okie! Better to compromise from time to time, something the Republicans haven't done much of this term or the last one.

Cycloptichorn
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:21 pm
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All or nothing. Look where that governing style has gotten your team Okie! Better to compromise from time to time, something the Republicans haven't done much of this term or the last one.


Further bad advice, okie. Ignore this too.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:22 pm
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Romney Drops Out of Presidential Race
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:23 pm
okie wrote:
woiyo wrote:
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.


Okie...go look at the record.

I have been watching the record for quite a few years, woiyo, I don't need your website to tell me what I'm supposed to think about it. You obviously are not very in tune with the news these days, McCain is going to have alot of trouble with voters, beyond okie here, and if you want to label us all a bunch of wingnuts, you can get lost. This is what I am talking about, McCain can throw out his insults for years, and now he expects us all to toe the line, fall in line, and vote for the guy. Good luck.

By the way I am no fan of Coulter, and the Gang of 14 interpretation, there are differing ones.


It is NOT MY website. Just a site indicating the facts about McCains record.

Interpret the FACTS as you please.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:26 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
woiyo wrote:
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.


Okie...go look at the record.

I have been watching the record for quite a few years, woiyo, I don't need your website to tell me what I'm supposed to think about it. You obviously are not very in tune with the news these days, McCain is going to have alot of trouble with voters, beyond okie here, and if you want to label us all a bunch of wingnuts, you can get lost. This is what I am talking about, McCain can throw out his insults for years, and now he expects us all to toe the line, fall in line, and vote for the guy. Good luck.

By the way I am no fan of Coulter, and the Gang of 14 interpretation, there are differing ones.


All or nothing. Look where that governing style has gotten your team Okie! Better to compromise from time to time, something the Republicans haven't done much of this term or the last one.

Cycloptichorn


This "ALL OR NOTHING" bullsh!t has been going on far too long in this country, especially in what is left of the so called republican party.

What these talking heads on both sides of the aisle seem to forget is that the overwhelming majority of taxpaying citizens of this country are somewhere left or right of CENTER. I am probably more right of center than most, but objective enough to realize compromise may be necessary on certain issues.

Good point Cyclo.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:26 pm
blatham wrote:
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Romney Drops Out of Presidential Race

Hes a good businessman, blatham. Its time to cut his losses. They probably analyzed each state very closely and had to conclude there was no chance.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:36 pm
okie wrote:
blatham wrote:
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Romney Drops Out of Presidential Race

Hes a good businessman, blatham. Its time to cut his losses. They probably analyzed each state very closely and had to conclude there was no chance.


A good businessman?

What kind of return on investment did he get his clients this election? Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:39 pm
woiyo wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
woiyo wrote:
okie wrote:
dyslexia, until you can come up with one issue that demonstrates your point, and despite more than one challenge, you have failed. I am still waiting for one issue that you can use as an example, and you won't because you don't have one.


Okie...go look at the record.

I have been watching the record for quite a few years, woiyo, I don't need your website to tell me what I'm supposed to think about it. You obviously are not very in tune with the news these days, McCain is going to have alot of trouble with voters, beyond okie here, and if you want to label us all a bunch of wingnuts, you can get lost. This is what I am talking about, McCain can throw out his insults for years, and now he expects us all to toe the line, fall in line, and vote for the guy. Good luck.

By the way I am no fan of Coulter, and the Gang of 14 interpretation, there are differing ones.


All or nothing. Look where that governing style has gotten your team Okie! Better to compromise from time to time, something the Republicans haven't done much of this term or the last one.

Cycloptichorn


This "ALL OR NOTHING" bullsh!t has been going on far too long in this country, especially in what is left of the so called republican party.

What these talking heads on both sides of the aisle seem to forget is that the overwhelming majority of taxpaying citizens of this country are somewhere left or right of CENTER. I am probably more right of center than most, but objective enough to realize compromise may be necessary on certain issues.

Good point Cyclo.

McCain has made a living off of sticking it to his fellow Republicans and supposed fellow conservatives with insults for a long time, woiyo, and so it isn't so easy to sweep under the rug.

In other words, here is a guy that has made a living by defying the party line, being a so called maverick, but he now wants the rest of us to walk the party line, for what, for him. Do you see the disconnect? If he wants to be his own man, he might continue to be his own man, sink or swim.

Compromise is wonderful, but here is a guy that asks for compromise, yet he never espoused it until now, for what, the answer is for him, Mr. McCain.

I am not dismissing the possibility of voting for him, but I am going to guess there will be millions that will. They will simply stay home. If McCain is proud of maverickism, he should be quite proud of those voters.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:41 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
blatham wrote:
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Romney Drops Out of Presidential Race

Hes a good businessman, blatham. Its time to cut his losses. They probably analyzed each state very closely and had to conclude there was no chance.


A good businessman?

What kind of return on investment did he get his clients this election? Laughing

Cycloptichorn

It was mostly his own money, cyclops, so he is simply cutting his losses, which is a sign of good business sense.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:25 pm
McCain just got a very warm and rousing welcome at CPAC
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:29 pm
Too bad. A decent guy who generally played fewer word games than his competitors, and who appears to have a less driven, neurotic character than the all of them - both Republican & Democrat.

The right wing zealots tagged him for "waffling" on his conservative values. I have never understood the substance for this charge. I suppose most of this came out of things he is said to have done (or failed to do) while he was governor of Massachusetts. However, given the political wishes of the people of that state, how could he have done otherwise? He did provide them with as much of a conservative government as they were willing to accept. I find nothing at all wrong with that.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:31 pm
I'm watching that, yeah. He seems to be doing a good job so far.

Could be a reason for the timing of Romney's "suspension" of his campaign, too -- helping to ensure a positive response at CPAC. (I.e., "no booing the nominee, people!")
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 02:35 pm
What just happened when he said "illegal immigration"? He's not talking... being booed after all?
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