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A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 01:44 am
Special for Bernie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuWUdUDUIDQ
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 08:07 am
Quote:
"It's virtually impossible for Romney or Huckabee to be the nominee just based on the arithmetic."

-- McCain adviser Charlie Black, quoted by NBC News, noting that McCain has 775 delegates, Romney had 284 and Huckabee has 205.

Added Black: "It takes 1,191 to clinch the nomination. There are 963 left to be chosen, so Romney or Huckabee would have to have all of them -- all of them -- to get to 1,191. Now you can't do that because a majority of those 963 are chosen in proportional primaries, which means you'd have to get 100% if the vote to get them all."


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/02/06/quote_of_the_day.html

So when will Romney drop out. He can't win. He's putting his own money into what is now a losing cause. What reason does he have to stay in?
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 08:51 am
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Talk-radio right unites against McCain
By Jessica Heslam
Thursday, February 7, 2008

Conservative talk radio hosts in Boston and across the country love to hate Republican Arizona Sen. John McCain, and a top industry observer says McCain's Super Tuesday victory just "gives them new material."

"The fact that they're involved in an interesting discussion and they're involved in an interesting debate and that the nature of the game has changed has only freshened the airwaves," said Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers magazine.

"It gives them new material. McCain is a wonderful thing to have happened to the conservatives. Now, they can not only bash Hillary, they can bash McCain," Harrison said. "It only freshens up the programming. It's more interesting now."

Locally, WTKK-FM (96.9) hosts Michael Graham and Jay Severin rip McCain, as does WRKO-AM (680) host Howie Carr, who calls McCain's campaign "the Straight Jacket Express." Nationally, the anti-McCain movement includes Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Michael Savage, Hugh Hewitt and Mark Levin.

The right-wing yakkers argue that McCain isn't a true conservative and blast his record on immigration, tax cuts and political campaign funding, among others.

Limbaugh has said a McCain nomination would "destroy the Republican Party" and that "I can see possibly not supporting a Republican nominee."

Graham said in an interview that right-wing radio hosts did raise doubts among Southern conservatives who were ready to vote for McCain but instead chose former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. With McCain the likely GOP nominee, Graham said he'd "crawl over cut glass" to vote against Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.).

On yesterday's show, Severin continued the McCain bashing. The talk host said McCain is "no Republican" and "no conservative" and should have his "mouth washed out with lighter fluid, kerosene, when he even permits the words Ronald Reagan to escape his lips."

Yesterday, McCain took aim at those conservative critics, telling them to "calm down" at a news conference in a Phoenix airport hangar. "I do hope that at some point we would just calm down a little bit and see if there's areas we can agree on," McCain said.

Added a McCain spokeswoman in an e-mail: "It's about uniting the party, and we're confident McCain can do that."

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/politics/2008/view.bg?articleid=1071882

So what will these poor conservatives do when Romney drops out? How will this effect the Presidential election? These type of people have a no compromise mentality. Rush slammed McCain when McCain said Reagan reached out and tried to work with the Democrats. Rush said you never compromise with Democrats.

It looks like the Republicans have put a gun to their head, pulled back the hammer and all are waiting to see when the trigger is pulled. There is no one out there who can unify the different factions, especially McCain. On the contrary McCain has become the exploding bomb that has has given birth to these fragments.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:13 am
McCain has about a 85% "conservative voting record".

These wing nuts on the radio sound as foolish as the left wing nuts do.

McCain is conservative enough to reach the majority of ALL AMERICANS.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:46 am
Blatham,

Josh Marshall is wrong when he said this...
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Not that people won't still listen to Rush's show and he won't make money selling racist songs on his subscription only website,


Rush's website is NOT a subscription only web site.
Its true that he does have one side of the site for those who want to pay for the extra features he offers, but his website is actually FREE for anyone that wants to look at it.

Like many popular national radio and TV figures, there is a part of his site that offers bonuses to those who want to pay for them.

Mr Marshall didnt do ant research before he wrote about Rush's site, apparently.

Was that laziness on his part or purposeful lying?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:47 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:


Very nice. What is the allusion there to 'magic underwear"?
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:48 am
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"It gives them new material. McCain is a wonderful thing to have happened to the conservatives. Now, they can not only bash Hillary, they can bash McCain,"

Says it all really... talk radio = hate radio.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:50 am
nimh wrote:
Quote:
"It gives them new material. McCain is a wonderful thing to have happened to the conservatives. Now, they can not only bash Hillary, they can bash McCain,"

Says it all really... talk radio = hate radio.


Does that include liberal talk radio also?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:54 am
mysteryman wrote:
Blatham,

Josh Marshall is wrong when he said this...
Quote:
Not that people won't still listen to Rush's show and he won't make money selling racist songs on his subscription only website,


Rush's website is NOT a subscription only web site.
Its true that he does have one side of the site for those who want to pay for the extra features he offers, but his website is actually FREE for anyone that wants to look at it.

Like many popular national radio and TV figures, there is a part of his site that offers bonuses to those who want to pay for them.

Mr Marshall didnt do ant research before he wrote about Rush's site, apparently.

Was that laziness on his part or purposeful lying?


Perhaps Marshall is comparing Rush's site, with that pay-or-get lost component, to Marshall's own extensive suite of sites where everything is free.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:56 am
Yup it does. Since I've had my Sirius satellite radio I've been listening to the left talk shows...one in particular, Alex Bennet, slams Obama all the time. When Obama and Oprah did their big stadium speak he was calling Oprah a racist.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 09:57 am
Another great line from Gail Collins
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We've had a gender gap in American politics since Ronald Reagan pushed the Republican Party to the right. (Featuring, in a supporting role, John McCain as the foot soldier.)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/opinion/07collins.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:03 am
blatham wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Blatham,

Josh Marshall is wrong when he said this...
Quote:
Not that people won't still listen to Rush's show and he won't make money selling racist songs on his subscription only website,


Rush's website is NOT a subscription only web site.
Its true that he does have one side of the site for those who want to pay for the extra features he offers, but his website is actually FREE for anyone that wants to look at it.

Like many popular national radio and TV figures, there is a part of his site that offers bonuses to those who want to pay for them.

Mr Marshall didnt do ant research before he wrote about Rush's site, apparently.

Was that laziness on his part or purposeful lying?


Perhaps Marshall is comparing Rush's site, with that pay-or-get lost component, to Marshall's own extensive suite of sites where everything is free.


Perhaps he was, but it is still intellectually dishonest to say what he did.
He either didnt want to be bothered with checking himself, or didnt care about being honest.

Either way, he was wrong.
I wonder if he will retract his comment or issue a correction.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:04 am
mysteryman wrote:
Blatham,

Josh Marshall is wrong when he said this...
Quote:
Not that people won't still listen to Rush's show and he won't make money selling racist songs on his subscription only website,


Rush's website is NOT a subscription only web site.
Its true that he does have one side of the site for those who want to pay for the extra features he offers, but his website is actually FREE for anyone that wants to look at it.

Like many popular national radio and TV figures, there is a part of his site that offers bonuses to those who want to pay for them.

Mr Marshall didnt do ant research before he wrote about Rush's site, apparently.

Was that laziness on his part or purposeful lying?


Rush and Laura Inghram among the top rated conservative talk show/pundit group are probably the most non-offensive ideologically and the most realistic of any. I don't think Laura ever stumbles into poor taste or intentionally offensive territory where Rush sometimes does and that kind of thing is stock in trade for types like Ann Coulter or Michael Savage (as well as several Leftwing Hosts/pundits).

But those who label Rush as racist, sexist, homophobic etc. simply have not listened to his show for content for any length of time, and, as MM points out, they get a lot wrong.

Rush is an unapologetic conservative, however, as are all the top rated talk show hosts. And all have been highly critical of the President and the GOP's broad swerves from conservative principles. They rightfully note that the Left does not appreciate these swerves and continues its unrelenting demonization of the President and the Republicans and the same swerves alienate the Conservative base.

And they rightfully note that McCain has been party to many of those swerves and, should he continue with that, he will further alienate the Republican Party from the Conservative base. Conservatives want somebody who will talk the talk AND walk the walk and McCain has not been consistent in that. Further, the Left defends McCain and pushes him as the GOP candidate fully knowing that raises suspicions with conservatives, but the Left isn't going to vote for McCain in November. And with the GOP and conservative independents split, they know they can sail their candidate right through to victory.

At the same time, you can't take the conservative credentials McCain has away from him and demonizing him isn't useful for either the Republicans or the Conservative base. You cannot fault the Right for advocacy for the most conservative candidates/candidate. But when McCain is the nominee apparent, you can bet the talk show hosts and pundits will back off their criticism and do their best to resolidify the base.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:11 am
woiyo wrote:
McCain has about a 85% "conservative voting record".

These wing nuts on the radio sound as foolish as the left wing nuts do.

McCain is conservative enough to reach the majority of ALL AMERICANS.


I don't know about the 85%, woiyo. Lets just look at a few simple issues:

The war - generally supportive of our policies, but constantly nitpicking the Department of Defense, the administration, the pentagon, the generals, criticized our interrogation techniques, criticized necessary interception of terrorist conversations, generally critical, all of which undercuts logical policy. I can just imagine he will love it when people start nitpicking his foreign policy or war policy, which will most assuredly have many flaws.

Taxes and spending - I would give him some credit on this, but he has not been supportive of supply side economics all that completely. He claims to be a spending cutter, but where is the evidence, I would need to see it. I will give him a pass on this pending further examination.

Immigration - dead wrong on this issue, and he has done nothing to fix it, and this is one reason he didn't win bigger in his home state.

Supreme Court justices - remember the gang of 14. Look for more liberal judges if he chooses them, as he reaches across the aisle, quote unquote. No thanks to him for a couple of decent judges, Roberts and Alito.

Environment - he chimes in with the global warming crowd on this one, and is likely to pander to those interests. We will probably see more liberal management in the Dept. of Interior and other branches of government. Look for more public lands to be locked up.

Energy - Again, he opposes drilling in ANWR, and probably other places, which is a pretty short sighted and self defeating policy, going along with the greenies on this one.

Campaign finance - he is directly responsible for screwing this up big time by restricting free speech. It is worse than ever now. If this is an example of logic, he doesn't have any.

Entitlement programs - I don't honestly know what he thinks of universal health care proposals and other things, but if immigration is any indication of how he deals with entitlements, etc., I would not be very optimistic here as well. I am willing to listen to anyone that has evidence to the contrary.

Lastly, I have to admit that beyone policy, actually near the top of my list, is his temperament and personality. He is full of himself, and I am tired of his nitpicking and trashing his own party ever since he got to Washington, and making backroom deals with Feingold, Kennedy, etc. His time should be past. He is better than Democrats, no doubt in my mind, but he is a far cry from conservative. He stiffs conservatives, until now, he is claiming to be one, that is a big switch. He wouldn't even appear at CPAC in past years, but he does now of course. Where is the straight talk, if he doesn't like them last year, why does he suddenly like them this year, and is now claiming to be Mr. Conservative.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:22 am
okie wrote:
woiyo wrote:
McCain has about a 85% "conservative voting record".

These wing nuts on the radio sound as foolish as the left wing nuts do.

McCain is conservative enough to reach the majority of ALL AMERICANS.


I don't know about the 85%, woiyo. Lets just look at a few simple issues:

The war - generally supportive of our policies, but constantly nitpicking the Department of Defense, the administration, the pentagon, the generals, criticized our interrogation techniques, criticized necessary interception of terrorist conversations, generally critical, all of which undercuts logical policy. I can just imagine he will love it when people start nitpicking his foreign policy or war policy, which will most assuredly have many flaws.

Taxes and spending - I would give him some credit on this, but he has not been supportive of supply side economics all that completely. He claims to be a spending cutter, but where is the evidence, I would need to see it. I will give him a pass on this pending further examination.

Immigration - dead wrong on this issue, and he has done nothing to fix it, and this is one reason he didn't win bigger in his home state.

Supreme Court justices - remember the gang of 14. Look for more liberal judges if he chooses them, as he reaches across the aisle, quote unquote. No thanks to him for a couple of decent judges, Roberts and Alito.

Environment - he chimes in with the global warming crowd on this one, and is likely to pander to those interests. We will probably see more liberal management in the Dept. of Interior and other branches of government. Look for more public lands to be locked up.

Energy - Again, he opposes drilling in ANWR, and probably other places, which is a pretty short sighted and self defeating policy, going along with the greenies on this one.

Campaign finance - he is directly responsible for screwing this up big time by restricting free speech. It is worse than ever now. If this is an example of logic, he doesn't have any.

Entitlement programs - I don't honestly know what he thinks of universal health care proposals and other things, but if immigration is any indication of how he deals with entitlements, etc., I would not be very optimistic here as well. I am willing to listen to anyone that has evidence to the contrary.

Lastly, I have to admit that beyone policy, actually near the top of my list, is his temperament and personality. He is full of himself, and I am tired of his nitpicking and trashing his own party ever since he got to Washington, and making backroom deals with Feingold, Kennedy, etc. His time should be past. He is better than Democrats, no doubt in my mind, but he is a far cry from conservative. He stiffs conservatives, until now, he is claiming to be one, that is a big switch. He wouldn't even appear at CPAC in past years, but he does now of course. Where is the straight talk, if he doesn't like them last year, why does he suddenly like them this year, and is now claiming to be Mr. Conservative.


You people have very short memories.

The War - He was one of only a FEW who disagreed with the flawed tactics of the GW administration. He was one of the first to criticize Rumsfeld. He GW listened to McCain, this so called war would have been habneled in a much more efficient manner and American Lives would have been saved.

Taxes - Look at his voting record and get back to me.
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

Justices - You have a short memory. It was through HIS EFFORTS that the "gang of 14" was able to actually PUSH THROUGH some of these judges. What were the democrats doing before the Gang of 14. Remember the Fillibuster? the the stupid republicans wanted to change the rules, so the "Gang of 14" was created in an effort to maintain the rules but get judges appointed. IT WORKED.

As far as the rest, go through the link I provided, get familiar with his record, stop listening to the extreme wing nuts, and see for yourself if McCain is conservative enough for you.

I do not agree with 100% of McCains positions, nor Romney. But in my view, he will be a good Commander in Chief, Appoint conservative Judges, and be good steward of our taxes.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:26 am
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As far as the rest, go through the link I provided, get familiar with his record, stop listening to the extreme wing nuts, and see for yourself if McCain is conservative enough for you.

Bad advice, Okie. I don't recommend it.
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 10:35 am
From The American Conservative Magazine.

Quote:
The Madness of John McCain

A militarist suffering from acute narcissism and armed with the Bush Doctrine is not fit to be commander in chief.

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/images/magcoverlg.jpg

Excerpt;
Quote:
If opportunism married to an inflated ego birthed his persona as the Ares of America's political pantheon, then this psycho-political pathology soon found expression as a full-blown delusional system. By 1999, in defense of Clinton's war, McCain was declaring, "I think the United States should inaugurate a 21st-century policy interpretation of the Reagan Doctrine, call it rogue state rollback, in which we politically and materially support indigenous forces within and outside of rogue states to overthrow regimes that threaten our interests and values."

In 2006, McCain traveled to Tskhimvali, in the disputed region South Ossetia, where pro-Russian citizens want to secede from the former Soviet republic of Georgia and seek union with Russia. After his visit, he concluded:

Quote:

Imagine if the British, annoyed by American encroachments in Texas, had sent a member of Parliament to denounce the defenders of the Alamo. That, at any rate, is how the South Ossetians think of it. And what American interests or values are at stake in that dirt-poor, war-torn corner of the Caucasus? What American values are reflected in the Mafia-like "democratic" government of today's Kosovo, where Orthodox churches are burnt-out ruins and the few remaining Serbs are under siege?

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/cover.html
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 11:08 am
mysteryman wrote:
nimh wrote:
Says it all really... talk radio = hate radio.

Does that include liberal talk radio also?

Dunno. Hasnt liberal talk radio been a total bust? Air America gone practically broke, etc?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 11:17 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
As far as the rest, go through the link I provided, get familiar with his record, stop listening to the extreme wing nuts, and see for yourself if McCain is conservative enough for you.

Bad advice, Okie. I don't recommend it.


Who asked you? I know you are not interested in facts. Chirp on!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2008 11:55 am
woiyo wrote:
blatham wrote:
Quote:
As far as the rest, go through the link I provided, get familiar with his record, stop listening to the extreme wing nuts, and see for yourself if McCain is conservative enough for you.

Bad advice, Okie. I don't recommend it.


Who asked you? I know you are not interested in facts. Chirp on!
I'm only guessing but I take it that Bernie means for Okie to continue listening to extreme wing nuts as that seems to be his only source of information rendering his posts absurd at best.
Okie's "understanding" of facts leaves most of us with a liberal bent somewhere between smiling and downright guffawing.
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