A first(?) thread on 2008: McCain,Giuliani & the Republicans

georgeob1 wrote:

Foxfyre raised an interesting issue -- that Mccain/Thompson just might be too geriatric. Intersting point - I hadn't thought of that.

If Huckabee gets on the ticket I may emigrate.

That was my wife's point too. Confused

I could deal with Huckabee.

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georgeob1 wrote:

Foxfyre raised an interesting issue -- that Mccain/Thompson just might be too geriatric. Intersting point - I hadn't thought of that.

If Huckabee gets on the ticket I may emigrate.

Canada has a spot recently opened up.

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I'll vote here twice before I go.

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It's a nice place. And you get a Queen whose name isn't Rudy.

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You redeem yourself with these Bernie.

And you have much need for it .

BTW welcome to the fold!

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More like a crease or wrinkle. I have green card status. As I explained to Finn (who inappropriately welcomed me as a new member of the greatest nation that has or will exist) citizenship is not likely in the cards. My mother's ghost would simply not allow me to act with that level of moral turpitude. The only possible scenario I can imagine where american citizenship might occur is if I need to increase my income through your welfare system.

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In that case I'll vote only once.

Still, I am pleased for you.

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Thankyou. The affinity is returned. (I believe I will leave that sentence ambiguous).

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I actually like Huckabee. Yes, he's seriously nutty on a few things but he clearly likes people and he's not an egomaniac. For a modern Republican candidate, those are two unusual characteristics. I think similarly about McCain.

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georgeob1 wrote:

Foxfyre raised an interesting issue -- that Mccain/Thompson just might be too geriatric. Intersting point - I hadn't thought of that.

If Huckabee gets on the ticket I may emigrate.

McCain/Thompson may mollify some who consider themselves "very conservative," but conventional political wisdom doesn't favor two Senators on the same ticket. It's tough enough when the lead guy is a Senator. In addition, the age factor is a point well taken.

For McCain at 71 and often appearing frail, the VP slot may make more difference than it usually does. If someone wants to vote for McCain but is concerned about his age, then the VP has to be someone the people who will vote for McCain would be OK with if he or she had to take over mid term.

I would think this means that the person has to be seen as experienced, relatively vital, and not that far off the mark from McCain ideologically.

Huckabee's negatives as far as conservatives go arise from the belief that he has no qualms about increasing taxes, and that he may be too dovish on foreign policy. For liberals it is his social conservatism and overt religiosity.

The prospect of VP Huckabee being suddenly elevated to the presidency can, for different reasons, drive away Republicans, Democrats and Independents who might otherwise vote for McCain.

The rumors surfacing about Condaleeza Rice being in the running are probably trial balloons set of by someone who likes the idea, but it's worth consideration.

Possibilities from the ranks of Governors

Charlie Crist FL
Mitch Daniels IN
Mark Sanford SC
Rick Perry TX

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blatham wrote:

I actually like Huckabee. Yes, he's seriously nutty on a few things but he clearly likes people and he's not an egomaniac. For a modern Republican candidate, those are two unusual characteristics. I think similarly about McCain.

McCain is not an egomaniac? Oooookaaaay, whatever you say, blatham. I agree on Huckabee, the guy has quirks, but at least he doesn't have some unspoken mission to change the country into something drastically different than what it is. None of the Republicans are trojan horses in that respect.

I also respect candidates that don't give up easily. It shows grit and dedication. All the Republicans left in the field earn it, and even though I hate to admit it, both Clinton and Obama are certainly committed to the grind of the campaigns.

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Ticomaya wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
Interesting argument about a McCain/Huckabee ticket, but I just can't see McCain doing it - a bridge too far. Fred Thompson is far more likely.

I quite agree, george. I have a bet with my wife on this score, and she thinks Huck will be his veep.

McCain and Huckabee have some kind of arrangement going. We don't know if it is verbally agreed, or if it is a gentleman's unspoken agreement, wherein they claim to respect each other. The deal in West Virginia tends to cause me to believe something has been agreed upon behind the scenes, possibly. It certainly was there in West Virginia. Perhaps Huckabee thinks he will become McCain's VP, whether McCain has dangled that in front of him with a hint or two, that would be interesting to know. I tend to think that once McCain is done with Huckabee, it will be goodbye Huckabee as far a McCain is concerned.

McCain - Romney would be far more advantageous, but I doubt McCain would do it, he seems to despise the man. This is not unusual for McCain, either. It wouldn't surprise me to see McCain pick somebody totally out of the blue, that nobody is even mentioning. He won't want anyone that would threaten his stature.

Why am I being so hard on the man, after all he paid the price in a prison for this country? He earned the chance to run. Ticomaya, be patient, I might come around, but it won't be easy.

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okie wrote:

blatham wrote:
I actually like Huckabee. Yes, he's seriously nutty on a few things but he clearly likes people and he's not an egomaniac. For a modern Republican candidate, those are two unusual characteristics. I think similarly about McCain.

McCain is not an egomaniac? Oooookaaaay, whatever you say, blatham. I agree on Huckabee, the guy has quirks, but at least he doesn't have some unspoken mission to change the country into something drastically different than what it is. None of the Republicans are trojan horses in that respect.

I also respect candidates that don't give up easily. It shows grit and dedication. All the Republicans left in the field earn it, and even though I hate to admit it, both Clinton and Obama are certainly committed to the grind of the campaigns.

You've read me wrongly which is always the reader's fault. Neither McCain nor Huckabee are egomaniacs of the Rudy or Tancredo or Thompson or (less so) Romney sort. Both clearly like people while that definitely isn't apparent in those others.

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Wonderful line from Pat Buchanan...

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If McCain is elected President, he'll make Cheney look like Ghandi

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We loves the RNC 'cause they're so nice

from US news and world report

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There's a new rule at the Republican National Committee. Refer to the two leading Democratic presidential candidates simply as "Barack" and "Hillary" and you'll be fined $10. The reason: Using first names makes the candidates sound more likable but calling them "Senator Obama" and "Senator Clinton" makes them sound more distant and bureaucratic. "I don't think people are actually being fined," says one insider. But everyone is being "encouraged" to follow the rule.

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Does this not make sense, boys and girls?

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McCain is in a position to peel pack the curtain and make Dobson and his cohorts look powerless. Indeed, he's already made Dobson look pretty feckless by surging to the front of the GOP back and becoming the presumptive nominee.

How will Dobson be able to threaten Republican officials into submission if pols can thrive just fine despite drawing Dobson's ire?

Josh Marshall argued today:

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If McCain can win with Rush and Coulter and the rest of them openly and volubly against them, it will mean that they're paper tigers. And their juice in GOP circles will be greatly diminished. Not that people won't still listen to Rush's show and he won't make money selling racist songs on his subscription only website, but GOP pols will feel much freer to ignore him. The fact that he's on track to win the nomination is bad enough. They can only recover if he loses the general. Then they'll argue that it was because he bucked the Movement conservatives.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14477.html#more-14477

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blatham wrote:

okie wrote:
blatham wrote:
I actually like Huckabee. Yes, he's seriously nutty on a few things but he clearly likes people and he's not an egomaniac. For a modern Republican candidate, those are two unusual characteristics. I think similarly about McCain.

McCain is not an egomaniac? Oooookaaaay, whatever you say, blatham. I agree on Huckabee, the guy has quirks, but at least he doesn't have some unspoken mission to change the country into something drastically different than what it is. None of the Republicans are trojan horses in that respect.

I also respect candidates that don't give up easily. It shows grit and dedication. All the Republicans left in the field earn it, and even though I hate to admit it, both Clinton and Obama are certainly committed to the grind of the campaigns.

You've read me wrongly which is always the reader's fault. Neither McCain nor Huckabee are egomaniacs of the Rudy or Tancredo or Thompson or (less so) Romney sort. Both clearly like people while that definitely isn't apparent in those others.

I think I understood you perfectly, blatham, I just disagree. I think McCain does not like people, some people, for sometimes unclear reasons, but sometimes personal. I have the impression he has a mean streak and holds grudges. That is one of the problems I have with him, over and above policy judgements. And none of the Republicans you mention are nearly the egomainiac that Ms. Clinton is, not even close.

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You ever heard Tancredo laugh? Kittens shiver under the bed and snakes out in the pasture crawl towards the tv.

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And who are the troops donating to?

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Individuals in the Army, Navy and Air Force made those branches of the armed services among the top contributors in the 4th Quarter, ranking No. 13, No. 18 and No. 21, respectively. In 2007, Republican Ron Paul, who opposes U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, was the top recipient of money from donors in the military, collecting at least $212,000 from them. Barack Obama, another war opponent, was second with about $94,000.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pressreleases/2008/YearEndPresidential.2.4.asp

Goddamn traitorous surrender monkey liberal troops!

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blatham wrote:

You ever heard Tancredo laugh? Kittens shiver under the bed and snakes out in the pasture crawl towards the tv.

(<-yes 5... nicely done)

[size=7](Not to mention Tancredo is a bigot and an idiot)[/size]

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