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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:08 am
Advocate wrote:
I guess McG wants this thread to be a love feast for Bush supporters. How boring!


No, but posting another anti-Bush screed that's apropos to nothing being discussed in the thread is spam. There are plenty of anti-Bush threads to choose from to post that kind of drivel.

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BTW, I notice that the right has to stoop to ad hominian comments when unable to refute statements from the left. Pathetic!


I've not noticed that -- which isn't to say it's never happened -- but it is unquestionably a frequent tactic of many leftist posters on this site.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:31 am
There are several dozen active threads all devoted to Bush bashing. You would think that would be sufficient for those who think it is fun to do that. This thread was to take a less petty and more positive approach to current events and what the current administration is doing, has accomplished, and plans to do.

It's too bad that those on the Left seem psychologically and/or emotionally incapable of doing that. I can't imagine what the world looks like through their eyes, but I am sooooooo glad that I don't see the world through their eyes. I can't imagine a more miserable existence.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:35 am
You know how people on the left like to help others. I guess we can't resist coming to the aid of the deluded right.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:42 am
Advocate wrote:
You know how people on the left like to help others. I guess we can't resist coming to the aid of the deluded right.


LOL, okay. Just help out someplace else though, okay?. We of the 'deluded right' see the results of all that 'help' from the Left and we'll pass. Any of the Left who are really serious about discussing the various issues have always been invited and made welcome on this thread however, and there is no requirement to agree with those on the right. (Not that those on the right always agree.)
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 04:57 pm
Ticomaya wrote:


Advocate wrote:
I guess McG wants this thread to be a love feast for Bush supporters. How boring!


No, but posting another anti-Bush screed that's apropos to nothing being discussed in the thread is spam. There are plenty of anti-Bush threads to choose from to post that kind of drivel.



"Bush supporters aftermath thread"


M-W online:

aftermath

3 : the period immediately following a usually ruinous event

+++++++++++++++++++

This is the ideal thread, more than aptly named to discuss the horrendous, ruinous nature of the aftermath of the "election".

That Tico thinks the truth is drivel, no surprise there, just shows how apropos these offerings are.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 05:00 pm
Advocate wrote:
You know how people on the left like to help others. I guess we can't resist coming to the aid of the deluded right.


Like giving shopping carts to the homeless,and calling that "compassionate".

Is that the kind of "help" the left likes to provide?
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 08:05 pm
After giving the shopping carts away, they can go home to their mansions and feel good about how much they've helped.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:03 pm
This is the aftermath that all you deeply delusional folk just can't seem to face.

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The Terrorism Index

By FOREIGN POLICY & The Center For American Progress Page 1 of 1


July/August 2006

Is the United States winning the war on terror? Not according to more than 100 of America's top foreign-policy hands. They see a national security apparatus in disrepair and a government that is failing to protect the public from the next attack.


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Since 2001, terrorists have found their targets on almost every continent, with bombings in Bali, London, Madrid, and elsewhere. Five years on, however, America has yet to experience another attack. But Americans appear less convinced that their country is winning the war on terror. In the face of persisting threats, including a growing number of terrorist attacks around the world, numerous reports show that Americans are losing faith in their government's ability to wage the war successfully and to protect them from the terrorists' next volley. Barely half of Americans today approve of the way in which the war on terror is being handled, and more than one third believe the United States is less safe today than it was before 9/11."The reason is that it's clear to nearly all that Bush and his team have had a totally unrealistic view of what they can accomplish with military force and threats of force."

http://web1.foreignpolicy.com/issue_julyaug_2006/TI-index/index.html


How has this thread got to be so long? There has been no, that's ZERO sucesses for this administration. WTF can you possibly talk about?

How deep is your delusion? Phenomenally deep, unfathomally deep.
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Lash
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 09:29 pm
JTT wrote:
Lash wrote:


There are plenty of delusional people on the Democrat's Gloat thread--or the Obama 08. Go bother them.


So, having to face the truth bothers you. Why am I not surprised, Lash?

The truth I faced is Bush won two elections. I did fine with it. The ones who may need your help are those all broken up about it--and said he'd lose the second one---after they said he'd lose the first one. Laughing

You're looking in the wrong place for the delusionals. But, then, since you're one yourself, I can understand why you're lost. Laughing
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 10:56 pm
Lash wrote:
You're looking in the wrong place for the delusionals.


I'm looking in the wrong place. I'm looking in the wrong place!

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A bipartisan majority (84 percent) of the index's experts say the United States is not winning the war on terror. Eighty-six percent of the index's experts see a world today that is growing more dangerous for Americans. Overall, they agree that the U.S. government is falling short in its homeland security efforts.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 01:27 am
That's meaningless. The important thing now is how the American people will view the latest attempt( foiled by the Brits, and the US aided by the Patriot Act and the phone taps) by the insane Islamo-fascists to kill thousands of innocent men, women and children on planes leaving Heathrow.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 10:18 am
A Republican gave a homeless person a tip -- buy Enron.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:11 am
No, not buy Enron, but the conservative Republicans will be encouraging people to invest in and profit from a booming economy. That's a key component of conservatism: encourage people to benefit from the opportunities that are out there rather than bribing them with empty promises that the govenrment will take care of them.

It isn't that the Left doesn't have good intentions when they do try to do something good. It's just that they don't understand that government cannot provide prosperity for anybody but dictators, cheats, and thieves. It is indeed true that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

To wit:

The good intention of providng affordable housing for the poor that resulted in vital old neighborhoods being demolished and gave us the wonderful rat infested, crime ridden projects.

The good intention of helping the black community into the mainstream that resulted in decimation of the black family and many of the institutions that once sustained it.

The good intention of providing the poor with a living wage and necessary benefits that resulted in generations of permanetly poor, unemployed, and unecmployable.

The good intention of tapping the resources of the rich in order to give the poor a break that decimated the private aircraft and boat industries and put tens of thousands of people out of work.

There are many more examples. Has everything that has been done been bad? Of course not. Nor has everything the conservatives have attempted turned out well.

But all in all, if you put them side by side and compare results, conservatism will come out looking better much more of the time. And for all its faults which are legion, the GOP still has a few conservative values while the Democrats are purging any remnants of conservatism from their ranks.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:13 am
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No, not buy Enron, but the conservative Republicans will be encouraging people to invest in and profit from a booming economy.


Which economy would that be?

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:16 am
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The Only Option Is to Win
By Newt Gingrich
Friday, August 11, 2006; Page A19


Yesterday on this page, in a serious and thoughtful survey of a world in crisis, Richard Holbrooke listed 13 countries that could be involved in violence in the near future: Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Uzbekistan, Somalia. And in addition, of course, the United States.

With those 14 nations Holbrooke could make the case for what I describe as "an emerging third world war" -- a long-running conflict whose latest manifestation was brought home to Americans yesterday with the disclosure in London of yet another ghastly terrorist plot -- this one intended to destroy a number of airliners en route to America.

But while Holbrooke lists the geography accurately, he then asserts an analysis and a goal that do not fit the current threats.

First, he asserts that the Iranian nuclear threat is far less dangerous than violence in southern Lebanon. Speaking of the Iranian-American negotiations, Holbrooke asks, "And why has that dialogue been restricted to the nuclear issue -- vitally important to be sure, but not as urgent at this moment as Iran's sponsorship and arming of Hezbollah and its support of actions against U.S. forces in Iraq?"

In fact an Iran armed with nuclear weapons is a mortal threat to American, Israeli and European cities. If a nonnuclear Iran is prepared to finance, arm and train Hezbollah, sustain a war against Israel from southern Lebanon and, in Holbrooke's own words, "support actions against U.S. forces in Iraq," then what would a nuclear Iran be likely to do? Remember, Iranian officials were present at North Korea's missile launches on our Fourth of July, and it is noteworthy that Venezuela's anti-American dictator, Hugo Chávez, has visited Iran five times.

It is because the Bush administration has failed to win this argument over the direct threat of Iranian and North Korean nuclear and biological weapons that Americans are divided and uncertain about our national security interests.

Nevertheless, Holbrooke has set the stage for an important national debate that goes well beyond such awful possibilities as Sept. 11-style airliner plots. It's a debate about whether we are in danger of losing one or more U.S. cities, whether the world faces the possibility of a second Holocaust should Iran use nuclear or biological weapons against Israel, and whether a nuclear Iran would dominate the Persian Gulf and the world's energy supplies. This is the most important debate of our time. It rivals both Winston Churchill's argument in the 1930s over the nature of Hitler and the Nazis and Harry Truman's argument in the 1940s about the emerging Soviet empire.

Yet Holbrooke indicates that he would take the wrong path on American national security. He asserts that "containing the violence must be Washington's first priority."

As a goal this is precisely wrong. Defeating the terrorists and thwarting efforts by Iran and North Korea to gain nuclear and biological weapons must be the first goal of American policy. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, if violence is necessary to defeat the terrorists, the Iranians and the North Koreans, then it is regrettably necessary. If they can be disarmed with less violence, then that is desirable. But a nonviolent solution that allows the terrorists to become better trained, better organized, more numerous and better armed is a defeat. A nonviolent solution that leads to North Korean and Iranian nuclear weapons threatening us across the planet is a defeat.

This failure to understand the nature of the threat is captured in Holbrooke's assertion that diplomacy can lead to "finding a stable and secure solution that protects Israel." If Iran gets nuclear weapons, there will be no diplomacy capable of protecting Israel. If Iran continues to fund and equip Hezbollah, there will be no stability or security for Israel. Diplomacy cannot substitute for victory against an opponent who openly states that he wants to eliminate you from the face of the earth.

Our enemies are quite public and repetitive in saying what they want. Not since Adolf Hitler has any group been as bloodthirsty and as open. If Holbrooke really wants a "stable and secure" Israel he will not find it by trying to appease Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas.

This issue of national security goals will be at the heart of the American dialogue for some time. If our enemies are truly our enemies (and their words and deeds are certainly those of enemies) then victory should be our goal. If nuclear and biological threats are real, then aggressive strategies to disarm them if possible and defeat them if necessary will be required.

Holbrooke represents the diplomacy first-diplomacy always school. We saw its workings throughout the 1990s, as Syria was visited again and again by secretaries of state who achieved absolutely nothing. Even a secretary of state dancing with Kim Jong Il (arguably a low point in American diplomatic efforts) produced no results; such niceties never do in dealing with vicious dictators.

The democracies have been talking while the dictators and the terrorists gain strength and move closer to having the weapons necessary for a terrifying assault on America and its allies. The arrests yesterday of British citizens allegedly plotting to blow up American airliners over the Atlantic Ocean are only the latest example of the determination of our enemies. This makes the dialogue on our national security even more important.

Richard Holbrooke has established a framework for a clear debate. The Bush administration should take up his challenge.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:21 am
CAUTION: The following article was written by Ann Coulter .....

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Big Foot, Scoop Jackson Democrats and other myths
By Ann Coulter
Thursday, August 10, 2006


I suppose we'll have to wait yet another election cycle for all those "Scoop Jackson Democrats" to come roaring back in and give us a Democratic Party that does not consistently root against America.

On the bright side, it is now official: Democrats are not merely confused patriots, so blinded by their hatred for President Bush that they cannot see their way to supporting any aspect of the war on terrorism. Would that they were mere opportunistic traitors!

As some of us have been trying to tell you, Democrats don't oppose the war on terrorism because they hate Bush: They hate Bush because he is fighting the war on terrorism. They would hate him for fighting terrorists even if he had a "D" after his name. They would hate Bernie Sanders if he were fighting a war on terrorism. In the past three decades, there have been more legitimate sightings of Big Foot than of "Scoop Jackson Democrats."

That's why Hillary Clinton has anti-war protestors howling at her public events. That's why she has drawn an anti-war primary opponent, Jonathan Tasini, who appears to believe that Israel is a terrorist state. If those rumors I've been hearing about a Hezbollah/Hamas/DNC merger are true, we might be in for a slightly longer fight.

In Tuesday's primary, Connecticut Democrats dumped Joe Lieberman, an 18-year incumbent, because he supports the war on terrorism. This is the same Joe Lieberman who voted against all the Bush tax cuts, against banning same-sex marriage, against banning partial-birth abortion, against the confirmation of Judge Alito, against drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and in favor of the Kyoto accords. Oh yes, this was also the same Joe Lieberman who was the Democrats' own vice presidential candidate six years ago.

Despite all this, Connecticut Democrats preferred stalwart anti-war candidate Ned Lamont, great-nephew of Corliss Lamont, WASP plutocrat fund-raiser for Stalin. Lamont's main political asset is that he is a walking, breathing argument in favor of a massive inheritance tax. His plan for fighting the terrorists is to enact a single-payer government health plan and universal pre-K education programs. His goal is to unite the "cut" and "run" wings of his party into one glorious coalition.

The Democrats can hold it in for a few years, but eventually the McGovernite face of the Democratic Party reappears.

Lamont declared victory surrounded by Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Kim Gandy of the fanatically pro-abortion group known euphemistically as the "National Organization for Women."

Congresswoman Maxine Waters had parachuted into Connecticut earlier in the week to campaign against Lieberman because he once expressed reservations about affirmative action, without which she would not have a job that didn't involve wearing a paper hat. Waters also considers Joe "soft" on the issue of the CIA inventing crack cocaine and AIDS to kill all the black people in America.

Gandy's support for Lamont must have been a particularly bitter pill for Lieberman to swallow, inasmuch as he has long belonged to the world's smallest organization solely to satisfy bloodthirsty feminists like Gandy -- Orthodox Jews for Partial-Birth Abortion. (OJFPBA has just slightly more members than GBRFC, "Gay Black Republicans for Choice.")

To give you a snapshot of today's Democratic Party, in 2004, pollster Scott Rasmussen asked likely voters if they believed America was generally a fair and decent country and whether they believed the world would be a better place if more countries were like America.

Republicans agreed that America is generally fair and decent, 83 percent to 7 percent. Eighty-one percent agreed that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.

By contrast, Democrats were nearly split, with only 46 percent agreeing that America is generally a fair and decent country, and with 37 percent saying America is not a generally fair and decent country. Only 48 percent of Democrats said they thought that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.

Democrats constantly complain that the nation has never been so divided, but consider that half of them think the statement that America is a good country is a divisive remark.

So remember: When you vote Democratic, you're saying NO to mindless patriotism. This country isn't so great!

The free world, which is rapidly boiling down to us and Israel, is under savage attack. Treason is rampant in the country. True, Democrats hate Bush, but they would hate anybody who fights the war on terrorism. It is a hostile world, and there is now a real question about the will of the American people to survive.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:21 am
I wish you would post that one over on the Israel - Hezbollah thread, Tico. It is soooooo appropriate for that thread too.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:45 am
Ticomaya wrote:
CAUTION: The following article was written by Ann Coulter .....



Then why on earth would you bother to include it, Tico? Because your job is to confuse the issues and mask the truth.

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Endnotes in Coulter's latest book rife with distortions and falsehoods

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Among other things, Coulter:

misrepresented and distorted the statements of her sources;
omitted information in those sources that refuted the claims in her book;
misrepresented news coverage to allege bias;
relied upon outdated and unreliable sources;
and invented "facts."


http://mediamatters.org/items/200608070002



This is hardly the exception either, it is the norm for Coulter. And Tico's stock in trade. And Foxy liked it too; surprise surprise.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:50 am
JTT wrote:
Lash wrote:
You're looking in the wrong place for the delusionals.


I'm looking in the wrong place. I'm looking in the wrong place!

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A bipartisan majority (84 percent) of the index's experts say the United States is not winning the war on terror. Eighty-six percent of the index's experts see a world today that is growing more dangerous for Americans. Overall, they agree that the U.S. government is falling short in its homeland security efforts.

The thread was about the election win--which we won.

Yeah.

Like we said he would.

So, that'd be

Us--correct

Your buds--wrong

Us--realistic

Your buds--delusional and, if I remember, and I do-- sort of maudlin and weepy.

Yeah.

Very Happy

Ipsofacto-- This thread--for happy conservatives

other threads-- for you and the sad ilksters.

Run along now.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:54 am
Foxfyre wrote:


It isn't that the Left doesn't have good intentions when they do try to do something good. It's just that they don't understand that government cannot provide prosperity for anybody but dictators, cheats, and thieves. It is indeed true that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.



Oh, the left understands that all too well, Foxy. They know that the foreign policy of the USA has been precisely that; "providing prosperity for dictators, cheats, and thieves", as long as those "dictators, cheats, and thieves" support US foreign policy.

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