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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
SierraSong
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jun, 2006 09:49 am
Here is the difference between our sides. Ann Coulter is a pundit- she doesn't work for any party or raise money for Republicans, etc. Her right wing spin on things is her take.

The Democrats use the same exact tactic- INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. I would have no trouble pulling out Howard Dean, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Charles Rangle, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, etc etc quotes. If you put them side by side you wouldn't notice a difference with Coulter's quotes except they would be 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

I wouldn't expect the Left to support Coulter's tactics and spin, but can easily see the double standard when they condone the same thing coming from government members and party leaders of the Democratic Party.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jun, 2006 10:12 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
And some of us can actually understand and agree or disagree with the intent and thesis of a written review without having to read the document that is reviewed. I doubt this is an American phenomenon only, but then you never know.


I find this amazing. If I'd been able to do so as well, it would have shortened my time at university by years.

(On the other hand, that may be a reason why many Americans don't speak another language than American, ehem, English.)


You've never formed an opinion from your own experience and/or observation? You had to be taught everything you know? You've never had an opinion somebody hasn't told you to have? You've never read anything that you agreed with out of your own conviction?

I find that remarkable.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jun, 2006 11:24 am
Obviously I made - again - some mistakes in my English.

No, Foxfyre, and I didn't intend to write such.


But I (usually) don't talk about books I haven't read.

And I (never) judge other's reports/essays/critics/summaries etc., who don't quote from the book I haven't read.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Jun, 2006 11:37 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Obviously I made - again - some mistakes in my English.

No, Foxfyre, and I didn't intend to write such.


But I (usually) don't talk about books I haven't read.

And I (never) judge other's reports/essays/critics/summaries etc., who don't quote from the book I haven't read.


That's cool. I don't critique books that I haven't read.

But I don't have to have read the book that triggered a discussion in order to have an opinion about the points raised in the discussion. And after all, Ann Coulter did write her own review of her own book; therefore, I can safely assume she accurately presented the issues she includes in it. And McCullough was not writing a review of her book but was rather presenting his opinion on the various concepts that are presented in it. Further as well as this being a hot topic in the media this week, Coulter herself has been on various media formats discussing her book and what she said in it.

Therefore, I have no problem deciding whether I am for or against or have no opinion on what both Coulter and McCullough state in their respective pieces posted today. And reading the book itself becomes rather irrelevent in that respect. Actually I've never read any of Coulter's books but I enjoy hearing her talk about them and usually enjoy her columns. I don't have any problem believing that she believes what she says and have no problem deciding if I agree or disagree with what she says.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2006 10:16 am
This is why the Dems can't win...
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Moran: Democratic Majority Means More Money for 8th District
by SCOTT McCAFFREY, Staff Writer
(Created: Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:10 AM EDT)

If Democrats win back control of the U.S. House of Representatives in November, U.S. Rep. Jim Moran said he would use his position in the majority to help funnel more funds to his Northern Virginia district.

Moran, D-8th, told those attending the Arlington County Democratic Committee's annual Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner on June 9 that while he in theory might oppose the fiscal irresponsibility of "earmarks" - funneling money to projects in a member of Congress's district - he understands the value they have to constituents.

"When I become chairman [of a House appropriations subcommittee], I'm going to earmark the **** out of it," Moran buoyantly told a crowd of 450 attending the event.

Colorful language and campaign hyperbole aside, Moran has a lot to gain if Democrats topple the GOP's 12-year control of the House. His relative seniority of eight terms would make him a powerful member of any Democratic majority.

Moran first must win re-election, but the 8th District is considered the most securely Democratic in Virginia. It includes Arlington, Alexandria, Falls Church and parts of eastern and northern Fairfax County.

Moran and his two Republican Northern Virginia counterparts - U.S. Reps. Frank Wolf, R-10th, and Tom Davis, R-11th - essentially mapped out their own redistricting plan after the 1990 federal census, and handed it to the General Assembly for action. The plan lumped Republicans in the districts of Wolf and Davis, giving Moran's district as many Democrats as the trio could find.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jun, 2006 02:46 pm
You know, I've looked at it every which way, and gerrymandering still looks illegal to me. I know it isn't. But I can't think of why it shouldn't be.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2006 08:01 am
HOW W GOT HIS MOJO BACK

BEHIND BUSH'S GREAT WEEK

By CLARK S. JUDGE

June 15, 2006 -- WHO'D have thought it possible even a month ago? President Bush is getting his mojo back.
The president just had the best week of his second term, perhaps of his entire presidency - and the end of the investigation of Karl Rove, which would have been the headline grabber not long ago, had little to do with it.

Instead, the president's brilliantly conceived and executed trip to Baghdad - giving exactly the right boost at the right time to new Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki - capped off seven days that included the forming of a full Iraqi Cabinet and the success of the U.S. military in locating, bombing and killing Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the sadistic Jordanian-born insurgency leader that Osama bin Laden once called the "prince of Iraq."

Equally significant, the night Zarqawi died, American forces staged 17 raids on insurgent targets. By Monday, they had launched 140 more. On the day of the president's visit, 75,000 troops fanned out over Baghdad, ordered to clear the Iraqi capital of the violence and anarchy that has plagued it for months.

So much activity in such a short time represented a strategic break from the recent past. For more than a year, though perhaps for different reasons, President Bush struggled with the problem President Abraham Lincoln faced before he named Ulysses Grant to run the Union Army.

Lincoln wanted a general whose strategy was hot, relentless pursuit - and changed senior officers until he found one. In Iraq, the daily news of roadside bombs and soldiers' deaths had made our top brass look as though its only tactic was the defensive patrol. Now it is clear the Coalition forces have taken the offensive and are determined to keep it.

All this good news is not just a product of good luck. The president's resuscitation of his administration is proving a transformative success on the domestic as well as the international front. The appointments of Office of Management and Budget head Josh Bolten as White House chief of staff, Fox News anchor Tony Snow as press secretary and Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson as Treasury Secretary reflect new energy and a new sense of purpose in a previously listless government.

Snow took the least substantive job, but had the most immediate impact. His gracious handling of the daily debate of the pressroom gives the administration a more comfortable face - and a highly astute one. As a former head of White House speechwriting, he understands how his words play with all constituencies inside and outside of the government, not just the media. The Bush press relations now have the feel of an administration confidently in charge.

Meanwhile, the new chief of staff has started moving economic policy back to the right road. The president's post-election drop in popularity was closely linked to frustration among Republican voters with soaring federal spending and failure to make the 2003 tax cut permanent. Since Bolten took over, the tax cuts have been extended. And his elevation reflects a White House that has heard its base's anger about spending - at OMB, Bolten had pushed to zero out more than 91 federal programs and cut non-defense discretionary spending in the last two fiscal years.

The Paulson appointment adds momentum to the lower-taxes, lower-spending agenda. Commentators have focused on Paulson's knowledge of the global economy, and China in particular. Less recognized is his firm's role as a major backer of Silicon Valley entrepreneurship. His statement at the announcement of his appointment indicated sensitivity to the central place of entrepreneurship in our economy.

Beyond that, both Bolten and Paulson bring a key miss- ing ingredient to the admin- istration's talent pool. As veterans of investment banking, both (especially Paulson) are deeply experienced, high-stakes negotiators.

And poor negotiating strategy may be the root of the president's domestic-policy troubles. The administration has shown a naive preference for pre-cooked deals - getting congressional Republicans and Democrats agreed to a proposal before submitting legislation. The same bargaining strategy set up the president's father for breaking his "no new taxes" pledge more than a decade ago - and has produced no better results since. It has foreclosed bringing the presidential veto into play and last year kept the president's men from putting forward their own Social Security reform package.

So with stunning new momentum abroad and a new team at home, President Bush is taking control of the Washington agenda again. Strong, effective action is what the American people look for in all their presidents. It appears that Bush has decided to give the people what they want - now and in the months to come.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2006 08:17 am
Foxfyre wrote:
You know, I've looked at it every which way, and gerrymandering still looks illegal to me. I know it isn't. But I can't think of why it shouldn't be.


I agree. It looked illegal in Texas too not so long ago.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2006 08:19 am
The President has had a good week. Dick Morris's gloomy prediction that the GOP will lose the House and Senate in 2008 was modified a bit this week when he added a new assertion that political fortunes can change in a flash and no longer seems so confident that the GOP has completely blown their advantage.

The Dems' talking points of the "politics of corruption' aren't looking so solid these days with Rove's investigation being dropped and the cases against Delay and Libby looking more and more shaky. Meanwhile they are contending with Kennedy and Mckinney in the news, a Congressman under a serious investigation, the former Atlanta mayor and rising star indicted, George Soros' indictment for insider trading holding up, and their beloved welfare constituency bilking the U.S. goverment out of 1+ billion in FEMA funds.

It's hard to make a case to hurt the other side when the case is so bipartisan.

On another front, here is some liberal-speak for you. I would like to see the e-mails to which Olbermann was responding, however.

Principles Keith can swear by

Keith Olbermann's angry E-mail responses to critical viewers included broadsides against Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter. Olbermann apologized for his messages.

Keith Olbermann's vacation isn't going so well.
He was forced to apologize yesterday after more of his E-mails found their way to my inbox and exposed the host of MSNBC's "Countdown With Keith Olbermann" as insulting and frequently obscene in an acrimonious exchange with two viewers who taunted him.

Olbermann's antagonists, who asked not to be named, repeatedly claimed in their June 8 E-mails that dead Al Qaeda terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was Olbermann's "hero," prompting the television star to advise: "Hey, save the oxygen for somebody whose brain can use it. Kill yourself."

After I forwarded that and other E-mails to an MSNBC exec, Olbermann wrote: "I apologize to anyone who might take offense at my part of this correspondence. It goes without saying that I should not have replied to these abusive and hateful E-mails, but I wonder how many of us could receive literally hundreds of them questioning our patriotism, religion and ethnic origin, without succumbing to the natural wish to confront such hate?"

Here are some examples of Olbermann "confronting hate":


"Given how far you are from knowing your a- from your elbow about my industry, you couldn't be stupider, wronger, or dumber ..."

"Go - your mother."

"You 'Americans' still watching that evil f- O'Reilly?"
Apparently, they are. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly draws six times the viewership of his 8 p.m. weekday rival.

MSNBC declined to comment yesterday, but Olbermann is scheduled to return to work on Monday.
SOURCE
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2006 10:44 am
Foxfyre wrote:
The President has had a good week.


Add this bit of info (you won't see it reported on the evening news, although it would have been when Clinton was president) ......

Bush May Meet Vow to Halve the Deficit Three Years Early
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jun, 2006 10:51 am
SierraSong wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
The President has had a good week.


Add this bit of info (you won't see it reported on the evening news, although it would have been when Clinton was president) ......

Bush May Meet Vow to Halve the Deficit Three Years Early


How crass, SierraSong! You know that the Investor Daily is nothing but a right wing screed. Smile

But you're right. The MSM will ignore or bury it as much as they can without completely destroying their journalistic integrity.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jun, 2006 02:04 pm
From today's e-mail - origin unknown:



"The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols to stop the illegal immigration.

The unflinching arrogance of the Bush Administration is prompting the exodus among liberal citizens who fear they'll soon be required to hunt, pray, and agree with Bill O'Reilly.

Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see dozens of sociology professors, animal-rights activists, and Unitarians crossing their fields at night. "I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield, whose acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry. "He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken. When I said I didn't have any, he left. Didn't even get a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?"

In an effort to stop the illegal aliens, Greenfield erected higher fences, but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers that blare Rush Limbaugh across the fields. "Not real effective," he said. "The liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so much they wouldn't give milk"

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive them across the border and leave them to fend for themselves. "A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged conditions," an Ontario border patrolman said. "I found one carload without a drop of drinking water. They did have a nice little Napa Valley cabernet, though."

When liberals are caught, they're sent back across the border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from conservatives. Rumors have been circulating about the Bush administration establishing re-education camps in which liberals will be forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR.

Liberals have turned to sometimes-ingenious ways of crossing the border. Some have taken to posing as senior citizens on bus trips to buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration authorities began stopping buses and quizzing the supposed senior-citizen passengers. "If they can't identify the accordion player on The Lawrence Welk Show, we get suspicious about their age," an official said.

Canadian citizens have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon movies. "I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy just can't support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many art-history majors does one country need?"

In an effort to ease tensions between the United States and Canada, Vice President Dick Cheney met with the Canadian ambassador and pledged that the administration would take steps to reassure liberals, a source close to Cheney said. "We're going to have some Peter, Paul & Mary concerts. And we might put some endangered species on postage stamps. The president is determined to reach out.""
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 01:47 pm
June 22, 2006
About That WMD
Such is the nature of the U.S. news media that a seemingly substantial revelation about WMD in Iraq is ignored by most major media outlets and gets A10 placement in the Washington Post.

It also says something about the nature of our politics these days that the news has sent the right half of the blogosphere into a frenzy of speculation about why it is only coming to light now while the left half of the blogosphere, from what I can tell, seems completely disinterested and concerned with more important matters. -- Larry Kudlow
SOURCE
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 01:50 pm
"cut and run"
"lie and die"
talking points without rationality lead to greater stupidity. keep up the good work foxfyre.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 08:45 am
Maybe the reason the media is ignoring this hyped new WMD revelation is because it is a bunch of bull as usual.

Officials: U.S. didn't find WMDs, despite claims

DOD disavows Santorum's WMD claims
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 12:31 pm
Good grief. You really have to respect the a man like Santorum for the integrity level he again demonstrates.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 01:07 pm
I'm always wondering how people, who are said to represent me in a parliament, want me to re-elect them .... and prove that they forget to switch on the brains before speaking. Or even something worse.

NB: this is not USA or Germany or party related but meant generally.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 01:37 pm
I'm content if they can articulate an argument without taking a shot at, trashing or claiming superior moral authority over people they disagree with.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 01:44 pm
Well, some have only minor expectations in their representatives.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 01:56 pm
Being able to actually articulate an argument is a rarity these days it seems. Mostly you hear trash talk, overt or backhanded ad hominems, and unsubstantiated innuendo intended to cast aspersions on somebody you disagree with or dislike or want to discredit or just want to hurt . Just witness a substantial percentage of the posts on A2K. Unfortunately too many elected representatives are representative of these.

So for starters I won't vote for anybody who has nothing more to offer than trash talking and criticizing others. He or she has to have something better than that.

And he or she who can actually articulate a rational argument gets my attention. And if I like the argument, s/he will probably also get my vote.
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