Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

Fox, there's a movie I recommend called "Syriana" - excellent!

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I'm not familiar with this paper or this writer...

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Baker's Panel Rules Out Iraq Victory

By ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
October 12, 2006

The president also said he was not averse to changing tactics. But he repeated that the strategic goal in Iraq is to build "a country which can defend itself, sustain itself, and govern itself." He added, "The strategic goal is to help this young democracy succeed in a world in which extremists are trying to intimidate rational people in order to topple moderate governments and to extend the caliphate."

But the president's strategic goal is at odds with the opinion of Mr. Baker's expert working groups, which dismiss the notion of victory in Iraq. The "Stability First" paper says, "The United States should aim for stability particularly in Baghdad and political accommodation in Iraq rather than victory."

http://www.nysun.com/article/41371?page_no=2

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In relation to the noted book by the Faith Based Initiative's exec...

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October 12, 2006
Religious Whites Disproportionately Shift Away from GOP
Change could reflect impact of Foley situation

by Frank Newport

The loss of support for Republican House candidates shown in the latest USA Today/Gallup Poll occurred disproportionately among religious white voters as opposed to less religious whites and nonwhites. At this point, religious whites are equally as likely to say they will vote Democratic as Republican, a marked change from their strong tilt toward the Republicans in surveys conducted June through September.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=24946

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And then, there's this. With any luck at all, this administration will end up thoroughly discrediting itself, its ideologies, and the modern conservative movement generally...

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U.S. trade gap widens to record

All Reuters NewsWASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. trade deficit widened more sharply than expected in August to a record $69.9 billion as higher oil prices pushed the tab for imported petroleum products to a fresh record, a Commerce Department report on Thursday showed.

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?feed=OBR&Date=20061012&ID=6097855

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NEW YORK (AP) - The Dow Jones industrial average looked to advance past 12,000 Friday a day after a burst of optimism over corporate earnings pushed the blue chips past 11,900 to a record close.

The index's gain Thursday marked its fifth record close in two weeks; the Dow also set a record intraday high Thursday.

SOURCE

And from US News & World Report:
October 10, 2006
Good Economic News
Which you won't find on the front pages of mainstream media:

The Labor Department Friday announced that the number of jobs increased between April 2005 and March 2006 not by 5.8 million but by 6.6 million. As an editorial in the Wall Street Journal notes, "That's a lot more than a rounding error, more than the entire number of workers in the state of New Hampshire. What's going on here?" The most plausible explanation, advanced by the Journal and by the Hudson Institute's Diana Furchgott-Roth in the New York Sun, is that lots more jobs are being created by small businesses and individuals going into business for themselves than government statisticians can keep track of. Newspaper reports on the number of jobs usually focus on the Labor Department's business establishment survey. But over the past few years, the Labor Department's household survey has consistently shown more job growth than the business establishment survey. The likely explanation: The business establishment survey misses jobs created by new businesses. Our government statistical agencies do an excellent job. But statistics designed to measure the economy of yesterday have a hard time reflecting the economy of tomorrow.

The federal budget deficit has been cut in half in three years, three years faster than George W. Bush called for. Why? Tax receipts were up 5.5 percent in FY 2004, 14.5 percent in FY 2005, and 11.7 percent in FY 2006. That's up 34.9 percent in three years. And that's after the 2003 tax cuts. When you cut taxes, you get more economic activity, and when you get more economic activity, the government with a tax system that is still decidedly progressive gets more revenue.

The bottom line: The private-sector economy is much more robust and creative than mainstream media would have you believe.
SOURCE

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Foxfyre wrote:

Which you won't find on the front pages of mainstream media:

Neither on US News & World Report: it's an "Opinion" there.

And honestly, I would have some funny ideas when reading messages from BARONE BLOG by Michael Barone on the frontpage of any paper.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Which you won't find on the front pages of mainstream media:

Neither on US News & World Report: it's an "Opinion" there.

And honestly, I would have some funny ideas when reading messages from BARONE BLOG by Michael Barone on the frontpage of any paper.

Mr. Barone's biography:
http://www.harrywalker.com/speakers_template.cfm?spea_id=36

Challenge his credentials if you wish and what he said if you want to try.

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I didn't write anything about his credentials - perhaps you read what I wrote:

I was referring to to sentence: Which you won't find on the front pages of mainstream media.

And I say it again: I really would be surprised to find a post from a blog published on a frontapage of a newspaper.
Even US News & World Report have it online as "Opinion".

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In my opinion, an informed opinion derived from verifiable facts is often far more credible than an intentionally biased and compromised piece presented as news. So again, challenge what Barone says if you can. At any rate it was appropriate for this thread and I thnk it was entirely appropriate to post, especially in the wake of all the spamming trolls who think it is so much fun to post their bilious junk here.

I have high hopes at least some of them might actually get a life that includes a different form of recreation.

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The federal budget deficit has been cut in half in three years, three years faster than George W. Bush called for. Why? Tax receipts were up 5.5 percent in FY 2004, 14.5 percent in FY 2005, and 11.7 percent in FY 2006. That's up 34.9 percent in three years. And that's after the 2003 tax cuts. When you cut taxes, you get more economic activity, and when you get more economic activity, the government with a tax system that is still decidedly progressive gets more revenue.

This is an absolute lie. The deficit only looks low because we are stealing massive amounts of money from Social Security. Not that Mr. Barone has the integrity to admit such a thing.

In addition, he fails to mention the fact that we are still issuing more than 500 billion dollars of debt per year, far more than the deficit.

Everything can look good if you are willing to lie about the situation to make it look good.

Cycloptichorn

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I've nothing opposing that above either.

I posted - you obviously missed this again, Foxfyre - only a response to your claim that such blog entries aren't to be found on frontpages of of mainstream media.
And you can add whta you want: I still would be more than surprised if such happened - even your own (online) source characterises your quotation as "Opinion".

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

I've nothing opposing that above either.

I posted - you obviously missed this again, Foxfyre - only a response to your claim that such blog entries aren't to be found on frontpages of of mainstream media.
And you can add whta you want: I still would be more than surprised if such happened - even your own (online) source characterises your quotation as "Opinion".

I don't see where Barone said his (or anybody elses) blog would be found on the front pages of a mainstream media. But his point was that such good news as he cited as a basis for his opinion is not likely to be found on the front pages of the mainstream media. Can you fault his opinion on that?

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Foxfyre wrote:

I don't see where Barone said his (or anybody elses) blog would be found on the front pages of a mainstream media.

I never said so.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
I don't see where Barone said his (or anybody elses) blog would be found on the front pages of a mainstream media.

I never said so.

Okay. Now show me where that article you reference or any of the articles Barone cited appeared on the front page of any mainstream newspaper, etc.?

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I said a couple of times now that it doesn't appear on any frontpage and even your source lists it as "Opinion".

Even the New York Sun published that quoted article as an opinion on October 9:

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

I said a couple of times now that it doesn't appear on any frontpage and even your source lists it as "Opinion".

Even the New York Sun published that quoted article as an opinion on October 9:

I give up. You're right. It doesn't have anything to do with what I said or what Barone said, but you're right.

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The lies just never stop coming. How can these delusionists keep viewing these lies without it making some tiny connection with their moral compass.

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Daily Show: President Bush "Hears" The Generals

Jon Stewart was on fire last night. First he goes after Bush for his patronizing (and sometimes flattering) demeanor with the White House press corps. Then, after getting a few good jabs in, he points out the disconnect between the reality and rhetoric of "listening to the Generals on the ground."

From troop levels to civil war, we hear the Generals say the exact opposite of what the President says in public. Maybe this is what Woodward meant by 'state of denial'?

Video available at,

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

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JTT wrote:

The lies just never stop coming. How can these delusionists keep viewing these lies without it making some tiny connection with their moral compass.

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Daily Show: President Bush "Hears" The Generals

Jon Stewart was on fire last night. First he goes after Bush for his patronizing (and sometimes flattering) demeanor with the White House press corps. Then, after getting a few good jabs in, he points out the disconnect between the reality and rhetoric of "listening to the Generals on the ground."

From troop levels to civil war, we hear the Generals say the exact opposite of what the President says in public. Maybe this is what Woodward meant by 'state of denial'?

Video available at,

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

It's a puzzlement!

Interesting to see you get your "news" from The Daily Show.

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

JTT wrote:
The lies just never stop coming. How can these delusionists keep viewing these lies without it making some tiny connection with their moral compass.

Quote:

Daily Show: President Bush "Hears" The Generals

Jon Stewart was on fire last night. First he goes after Bush for his patronizing (and sometimes flattering) demeanor with the White House press corps. Then, after getting a few good jabs in, he points out the disconnect between the reality and rhetoric of "listening to the Generals on the ground."

From troop levels to civil war, we hear the Generals say the exact opposite of what the President says in public. Maybe this is what Woodward meant by 'state of denial'?

Video available at,

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

It's a puzzlement!

Interesting to see you get your "news" from The Daily Show.

And where, Finn, do you get your truthiness? (Another creative bushism)
Fox? CNN?

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Finn dAbuzz wrote:

JTT wrote:
The lies just never stop coming. How can these delusionists keep viewing these lies without it making some tiny connection with their moral compass.

Quote:

Daily Show: President Bush "Hears" The Generals

Jon Stewart was on fire last night. First he goes after Bush for his patronizing (and sometimes flattering) demeanor with the White House press corps. Then, after getting a few good jabs in, he points out the disconnect between the reality and rhetoric of "listening to the Generals on the ground."

From troop levels to civil war, we hear the Generals say the exact opposite of what the President says in public. Maybe this is what Woodward meant by 'state of denial'?

Video available at,

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

It's a puzzlement!

Interesting to see you get your "news" from The Daily Show.

Jon Stewart's team has an easy time these days. The (black) comedy and the satire just writes itself.

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