Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yaknow, Blatham, when they get mad, it means you are doing something right. Getting under their skin. The same way they do to Liberals.

The Righties on this thread don't seem to realize that the more they complain about their leader being called out, in public, with the truth, no less; the more it exposes how worried they are about the election this year and in '08.

The Right-wing of this country has been playing up the deaths of 9/11 victims for political gain for years, and now they act like it's a sin when the same thing is done to them. Well, toughen up, wusses! Bush needs to hear what real people think from time to time.

Cycloptichorn

I think you are missing the point.
I dont think its WHAT was said,as WHERE it was said.
There is a difference.

BILL CLINTON: (Cheering of audience) President Bush 41 complained that he was at a disadvantage because he was an Episcopalian. (Laughing.) Then he came up here and zings old Laura like he did. I thought, "That ain't bad for one of the frozen chosen." (Laughter.)

RUSH: Frozen chosen?

BILL CLINTON: We --

RUSH: Maybe it's a sperm bank. That's a sperm bank term!

BILL CLINTON: -- doing good together, and --

RUSH: Frozen chosen?

BILL CLINTON: Let me say --

RUSH: Clinton used to be a greeter in a sperm bank, I know that.

And you guys, parroting the sites you read each morning, toss out the word "class" as if you had some intimate association with the term, like a secret handshake known only to Republicans and the Rove folks who spread those flyers suggesting McCain had fathered an Asian child. Here's some more "class" for you... Rush Limbaugh (from his site) in a piece titled "the classless Clintons"..

blatham wrote:

And you guys, parroting the sites you read each morning, toss out the word "class" as if you had some intimate association with the term, like a secret handshake known only to Republicans and the Rove folks who spread those flyers suggesting McCain had fathered an Asian child. Here's some more "class" for you... Rush Limbaugh (from his site) in a piece titled "the classless Clintons"..

Was Rush at a funeral when he made those remarks. If not, what's your point?

Ticomaya wrote:

blatham wrote:

And you guys, parroting the sites you read each morning, toss out the word "class" as if you had some intimate association with the term, like a secret handshake known only to Republicans and the Rove folks who spread those flyers suggesting McCain had fathered an Asian child. Here's some more "class" for you... Rush Limbaugh (from his site) in a piece titled "the classless Clintons"..

Was Rush at a funeral when he made those remarks. If not, what's your point?

That oh so dependable compass you guys have for what ferreting out "class".

You guys simply have great trouble with negative references to your President where such references might have political traction. And these certainly did and do have political traction.

We are specifically talking about the propensity of libbies and Democrats to pimp the occasion of a funeral or memorial service to conduct policial activity.

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You guys simply have great trouble with negative references to your President where such references might have political traction. And these certainly did and do have political traction.

Exactly right, Bernie.

It certainly doesn't seem repugnant to you, Tico, that your leaders have dragged the corpses of 9/11 victims around for political gain for years. Why the hell should we think your standards of what is acceptable or not mean anything? You haven't raised any outrage over the use of the dead as political pawns by your party.

No, it was the cutting, accurate, timely, and truthful nature of the comments that really have your panties in a bunch.

Cycloptichorn

Ticomaya wrote:

We are specifically talking about the propensity of libbies and Democrats to pimp the occasion of a funeral or memorial service to conduct policial activity.

I don't see the pimping here. When commemorating a civil rights leader, it only seems appropriate to talk about the civil rights she faught for, and the antagonists she faught for them against. I would find it very odd if the eulogies for George Washington had stayed silent about his fight for independence because that might annoy some Tories. Or if the eulogies for Ghandi neglected his resistance against the British Empire.... Or if the eulogies for Coretta Scott King neglected her fight for civil rights in the face of virulent racism, antiquated attitudes towards women, and persistent wiretapping by a federal executive gone paranoid.

As they say in the movies, any similarities with actual events and living persons is purely coincidental.

We are specifically talking about the propensity of libbies and Democrats to pimp the occasion of a funeral or memorial service to conduct policial activity. And the use of the CSK funeral in particular was repugnant, because Bush was present, and they knew he'd show some dignity and not stoop to their level and respond to their cheap-shots. To "us," it's repugnant, and shows a lack of class. To "you," it's reasonable and acceptable. Just another highlight of the differences in how you and we think, IMO.

That Bush was present seems quite irrelevant, certainly in terms of free speech.

And far better, in terms of honesty and integrity, to speak negatively of someone when they are present if you are going to speak negatively.

In the context of a funeral, the person spoken of can't really get up and make some response, but always can do so later.

As to "propensity"...rather an inclusive word for two instances wherein the community of mourners felt no problem with what went on, only Republicans who didn't like to hear what was said.

As to putting a funeral or deaths to political purpose, that is precisely what you are doing right now, and as was done by many folks on the right after the Wellstone funeral. As was done with every tombstone gratuitously carved with Operation Mash-the-Muslims.

And as to "pimping"...cyclo has that right and you do not. The Bush administration has pimped the deaths of 9/11 thousands of times, literally. And protests from grieving relatives of victims have moved you not at all, apparently. But that's your sense of "class".

I also dont think that the average TV viewer gives a toss, either way. This is typically one of those tempests in the bloggers' teapots that will resound in the politically militant echochamber for a while without making much of an impact on the general public.

Maybe you or Cyclops can explain exactly how the Bush Administration has "pimped" the deaths of the victims? Is this some duty the 9/11 families thinks the Administration owes them individually? The Administration cannot remind the country of the need to be vigilent and remember the events of that day without being accused of "pimping" the deaths of the victims?

I believe Lash is "an actual real-life African American".. at least that has been my impression.