Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

If more Europeans would see the light in terms of the threat as it looms, and help enforce their own U.N. resolutions, as Bush has attempted to do, the situation would be far better than it is.

If more Europeans would see the light in terms of the threat as it looms, and help enforce their own U.N. resolutions, as Bush has attempted to do, the situation would be far better than it is.

I think he is implying that the UN serves as a governing force for Europe, but I'm not sure.

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If more Europeans would see the light in terms of the threat as it looms, and help enforce their own U.N. resolutions, as Bush has attempted to do, the situation would be far better than it is.

Hard to be selective about this, if that's what you want; there are something like 40 UN resolutions against Israel which haven't been enforced in some time. Guess you agree that these countries need to hop right on that one, hmm?

Cycloptichorn

Do you believe all the UN resolutions against Israel to be justified and balanced?

I don't, and previous US administrations didn't either.

McGentrix wrote:

Do you believe all the UN resolutions against Israel to be justified and balanced?

I don't, and previous US administrations didn't either.

So the UN member countries should only enforce those resolutions they believe to be justified and balanced, right?


So, if Russia hadn't enforced the sanctions against Iraq at all because Russia believed those resolution against Iraq were not justified and balanced, they would have done the right thing?

Pardon me for having the impression if I am mistaken, but it appears the U.N. has little teeth in its resolutions. A resolution is made, and everyone feels good when they go home, but does anything really change?

<tapping fingers, waiting for McGentrix to actually answer the question....>

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think he is implying that the UN serves as a governing force for Europe, but I'm not sure.

Quote:

If more Europeans would see the light in terms of the threat as it looms, and help enforce their own U.N. resolutions, as Bush has attempted to do, the situation would be far better than it is.

Hard to be selective about this, if that's what you want; there are something like 40 UN resolutions against Israel which haven't been enforced in some time. Guess you agree that these countries need to hop right on that one, hmm?

Cycloptichorn

Do you believe all the UN resolutions against Israel to be justified and balanced?

I don't, and previous US administrations didn't either.

Foxfyre wrote:

I am always one to agree that overwhelming force is the only way to conduct war. I think we would have been more likely to have done that if every use of force we have used had not been criticized by our European 'friends' and the Leftists in this country. I wish we had ignored the critics and just did it, but the administration bowed to public pressure with disastrous results. (Source: just re-read this thread with all the links that have condemned the USA every time it has gotten really tough.)

Complete and utter BS. You claim that in 2003, Bush and Rummy only sent some 220,000 troops tops to take over Iraq, because the Europeans and the left urged America not to go to war at all?

Your question was what should be done in the current situation (civil war in Iraq, country a recruiting and training ground for terrorists, Iran/al-Dawa/Shiite influence over the country growing, etc. etc. etc.). You got my answer. I've never said anything to the contrary.

I did believe it was a grave mistake to go to war with Iraq at all, but going and doing it in such a dilettante way merely brought about the situation we are facing today.

Bush-haters look only at what they can criticize, slur, and condemn.

Some motorists suspicious about slide in gas prices
Americans say they're pleased to pay less; but almost half think change is political
By Brad Foss
Associated Press
September 26, 2006

WASHINGTON -- There is no mystery or manipulation behind the recent fall in gasoline prices, analysts say.

Try telling that to many U.S. motorists.

Almost half of all Americans believe the November elections have more influence than market forces. For them, the plunge at the pump is about politics, not economics.

Retired farmer Jim Mohr, Lexington, Ill., rattled off a tankful of reasons why pump prices may be falling, including the end of the summer travel season and the fact that no major hurricanes have disrupted Gulf of Mexico output.

"But I think the big important reason is Republicans want to get elected," Mohr, 66, said while filling up for $2.17 a gallon. "They think getting the prices down is going to help get some more incumbents re-elected."

According to a new Gallup poll, 42 percent of respondents agreed with the statement that the Bush administration "deliberately manipulated the price of gasoline so that it would decrease before this fall's elections."

Fifty-three percent of those surveyed did not believe in this conspiracy theory, while 5 percent said they had no opinion.

Almost two-thirds of those who suspect Bush intervened are registered Democrats, according to Gallup.

White House spokesman Tony Snow addressed the issue Monday, telling reporters that "the one thing I have been amused by is the attempt by some people to say that the president has been rigging gas prices, which would give him the kind of magisterial clout unknown to any other human being."

In the Indianapolis metro area, the average price for a gallon of regular unleaded gasoline was $2.09 Monday, according to AAA. Statewide, the average was $2.15.

Lots of moonbats out there .....

The Leftists on your side of the argument were condemning the US for civilian deaths from Day 1. They continue to cite civilian deaths as the policy of the US. Can you imagine the condemnation if the US had gone in with overwhelming force and flattened any cities that opposed them?

They made a calculated decision to do it surgically for the express purpose of gaining access to taking out Saddam and WMD. They did take out Saddam.

And yes, we can all do post-mortem armchair quarterbacking, but if the initial plan had gone according to plan, Bush would have been lauded as the greatest of all. The fact that it didn't is much closer to the way all wars go, at least before modern times, which is mistakes, costly errors, bad decisions, and incompetency amidst the victories and accomplishments.

Honest people look at all of that. Bush-haters look only at what they can criticize, slur, and condemn.

[...]
Not only does this American finding have the ring of truth about it, but millions of ordinary people in Britain, Europe, the US and far beyond have reached the same bleak conclusion from a daily torrent of news, analysis and information that is freely available to all. It needs neither spy satellites, informers, nor highly trained analysts to observe the rage and fury that has been generated by Iraq: we have heard it in native Yorkshire accents from the young men who brought mayhem to the London underground on 7/7; from public opinion polls; from countless demonstrations across the Arab and Muslim worlds; from Iraqis, Shia as well as Sunnis, who hated the Ba'athist tyrant but who have paid an intolerable price for their liberation from his odious regime. Events in Afghanistan, Palestine and Lebanon, mixed in with Fallujah, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay, and heavily spiced by anger and resentment at perceived double standards, have added to this poisonous brew.
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Arguing about the past often triggers impatient official responses such as "let's move on" or "we are where we are". But shutting down debate about old mistakes is likely to lead to new ones in the future. Iraq is a bloody and hopeless mess, the situation in Afghanistan deteriorating alarmingly, Iran is a grave worry, and the need for progress between Israel and the Palestinians more urgent than ever. These issues need to be aired. The row about the US intelligence estimate is about honest analysis and political spin. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, is not known for plain speaking: still, his blunt view, expressed in Washington this week, is that the invasion of Iraq has indeed made the world a far more dangerous place. General Musharraf and America's spies are right. Messrs Bush and Blair are wrong.