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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 03:53 pm
Stradee wrote:
Fox, with a straight face i can tell you that the bush administration has done more to promote terroism, proliferation, human right violations, unnecessary loss of life, and enviornmental damage than any president in history.

Are you including the Presidents like Kennedy,who authorized an invasion of Cuba by dissidents,and who promised them air support,then allowed them all to be killed or captured?
Are you including Johnson,who allowed a LIE to get us into Vietnam,thereby causing 50,000 American soldiers and an uncounted number of Vietnamese to die.
What about TRuman,who authorized the dropping of 2 atomic bombs on Japan,destroying whole cities and killing hundreds of thousands,just to make a point.
What about those presidents during the westward exapnsion?
They allowed and ordered whole peoples to be killed,just to expand the country.
They starved people,they murdered people,they allowed or ordered wholesale extermination of people,then they allowed the near total destruction of animals.

I can go on,but you will find a way to deny all of it.


All anyone need do is research gwb's term as the governor of Texas. Those folks are still attempting to recover from the bush policies.

You mean like the US took years to recover from the 20% inflation rates,gas lines,double digit inflation rates,and other disastrous policies of Jimmy Carter.
Of course,you dont think he was a bad president,do you?



Now, add the trillions of dollars of debt for you, your grandchildren, and thier kids, the United States has a president that should be locked in a cage, not given carte blanche to further destroy America's credibility.

The debt has been around longer then Bush has been President, are you blaming the whole debt on him?

Blatham, Nixon resigned. GWB won't go out without a fight, but i believe you're correct that the dems will take the house and senate in November - and then we may begin seeing a more positive shift in policies. We can't forget though - that the ones that are taking the fall are not major players - scapegoats for the people that should have been prosecuted in the past.

And if the dems dont take the house and senate?
Are you then going to complain that the dems were robbed or that the election was somehow stolen?
Or will you accept the will of the voters and stop the incessant whining about how things turned out?



The Plame case isn't about money, per se, but their livilhoods were/are affected by the circumstances. I hope they stay the course as well, if for nothing else but given the chance to produce more evidence proving there were more than 'national security' issues at stake.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 04:30 pm
good grief, mysteryman!

deny what??? we're discussing Iraq!

if you recall - there was a huge surplus when gwb took office.

i also don't recall ever 'whining' about anything...

boy, you keep those good thoughts about how well the republicans managed the war, the economy, and the nation, ok.

we have nothing to discuss...
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 04:49 pm
Quote:


Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), for one, decided she'd had enough.

"In light of the rantings that went on for 30 minutes by two colleagues from the other side, I'd like to state for the record that America is not tired of fighting terrorism; America is tired of the wrongheaded and boneheaded leadership of the Republican party that has sent six and a half billion a month to Iraq while the front line was Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

That led this country to attack Saddam Hussein, when we were attacked by Osama bin Laden. Who captured a man who did not attack the country and let loose a man that did. Americans are tired of boneheaded Republican leadership that alienates our allies when we need them the most. Americans are most certainly tired of leadership that despite documenting mistake after mistake after mistake, even of their own party admitting mistakes, never admit they do anything wrong. That's the kind of leadership Americans are tired of."

She concluded,

"I'm not going to sit here as a Democrat and let the Republican leadership come to the floor and talk about Democrats not making us safe. They're the ones in charge and Osama bin Laden is still at loose."

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Stradee
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 05:49 pm
Who is the enemy?
by Omar Al-Rikabi

I have been on the road a lot in the last three months, taking different road-trips to New Orleans, New York City, Nashville, and Dallas. Constantly in the shadow of the endless line of 18-wheelers, I noticed that one particular trucking company had this sign posted on most of their trucks:


Support our troops whenever we go!
No aid or comfort to the enemy!


No way!



So who is the enemy?

Last summer my older cousin Ali was able to come in from Ohio to be at our wedding. I think it was really good for my dad to have someone from back home who was able to be there, and he filled in as my grandmother's escort, sitting with her on the front row.

Ali was forced to serve in the Iraqi Army in the first Gulf War. Other cousins were also conscripted, stationed on the front lines and in Kuwait City. Some of them were rounded up in the mass-surrenders after the ground war began, and they all made it home. But Ali had a different story. He was a field surgeon on the front lines with the Republican Guard. Sadaam thought that if he placed the medical units close enough to the rest of the soldiers then the Americans wouldn't bomb and shell them. He was wrong.

Somehow the Iraqis knew when the American ground troops would be coming over the dunes, and so they were given a five-day pass to go home to Baghdad and say their goodbyes. Ali knew it would be a meat-grinder, and he knew that under Sadaam desertion meant death and trouble for your family. So while he was in Baghdad he had another surgeon friend take out his perfectly good appendix. While he was in the hospital, his entire unit was annihilated.

Around that same time a Marine friend of mine named Nelson had been part of an artillery outfit that was shelling Iraqi positions inside Kuwait. Suddenly an Iraqi artillery shell slammed into the hood of the truck Nelson was standing next to, but it was a dud and didn't go off. He lived to come home and tell me that story.


Also at our wedding, only four rows back from Ali, was my friend Joe, who is an Army Ranger veteran. On the other side of the isle from Ali was one of my two mothers-in-law, whose stepbrother was part of the Army forces that moved through the same area of Kuwait where Ali had been. On another pew was my friend Johanna, whose husband has served in Afghanistan and is now training for Special Forces duty in the Middle East.

I could go on, but you get the idea. The best phrase came from a taxi driver in Cairo, right after the invasion of Iraq three years ago, who upon finding out that my brother was half Iraqi and half American said, "Ahhh ... is funny. Your country is attacking your country."

I have often become frustrated when I have heard people in my church make statements like, "Remember who we're fighting here," before they lead prayers for our military victory. A professor here at Asbury once said that the only two choices we have is to either "convert them or keep them from hurting us."


Well ... first of all you can't fight and win a "war on terror." Terrorism is a method, not a country or ideology. I once heard it said that fighting a war on terror is like having the flu and declaring a war on sneezing: you're only attacking the symptoms. As long as there have been people, there has been terrorism.


But what frightens me is the mindset in this country, and in the church, that seems to think terrorism was born and raised in the Middle East, and if we can take out the Muslim Arabs then the world will be a safer place. Put this idea up against the idea in large segments of the Arab world that America has, in a sense, created terror herself with her policies toward the Middle East. So the cycle continues, and we have "become a monster to defeat a monster."


So who is the enemy? I believe that on this side of the cross, according to the scriptures, that "we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but against the evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against those mighty powers of darkness who rule this world, and against wicked spirits in the heavenly realms" (Ephesians 6:12)


If you track through the whole story of scripture, you see that while God may have fought battles on Israel's behalf in the Old Testament, the trajectory was always towards to the cross, which redeemed God's intention for creation. Jesus set for us an example of living and witnessing that intention through loving, serving, and forgiving our enemies. The way of Christ was not to kill and destroy those who had abused and killed him.


Imagine what would have happened if the entire mass community of Christians who prayed so fervently for our troops to "defeat the enemy" would have instead prayed against the real Enemy and for peace between humanity.


So who is the enemy? We must first remember that the enemies of America are not the enemies of God. I have Iraqi Army veteran family and U.S. Army veteran friends. I have been raised by Southern Methodists and Shiite Muslims. I cannot abdicate the gospel message of Christ to a bomb, but can only bear the cross: the ultimate battlefield victory over the Enemy.


Omar Al-Rikabi is the son of a Southern Methodist mother from Texas and a Shiite Muslim father from Iraq. He is in his final year of earning a Masters of Divinity degree from Asbury Theological Seminary, and a declared candidate for ordination in the United Methodist Church.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 09:12 pm
The scum is, once again, rising.


Quote:


Robert J. Perry is Back

So my friend Robert J. Perry, the original swift-boating money man, has just plunked down the $5 million seed money to start up yet another front group entitled the Economic Freedom Fund.

http://www.patriotproject.com/2006/09/robert_j_perry_1.php

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 09:55 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
For those who claim that the economy has improved under Bush, you are either deceived or flat-out lying.

Here is a state-by-state map of median income change over the last 6 years:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/blogphotos/Blog_Median_Income_By_State.gif

Doesn't look too good, does it?

Maybe now some of you will realize why most people consistently report negative feelings about the economy these days, even though the rich and Corporations are getting richer....

Cycloptichorn


Follow up:
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 01:50 pm
McGentrix, I am afraid you are a moron and ignorant.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 02:28 pm
Dys, what a loutish reply. It seems that everything McG said is true.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 02:50 pm
Now then, as so much pure adulturated garbage plus so many well-intended falsehood have been posted on this subject, I will post this entire summary of the Valierie Plame issue:

THE PLAME KERFUFFLE
What a Load of Armitage!
What did Patrick Fitzgerald know, and when did he know it?
BY VICTORIA TOENSING
Friday, September 15, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

Richard Armitage has finally emerged from the cover-my-backside closet, "apologizing" on CBS for keeping quiet for almost three years about being the original source for Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column stating that Joe Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, worked for the CIA and had suggested him for a mission to Niger. He disingenuously blames his silence on Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's non-legally-based request--any witness is free to talk about his testimony--not to discuss the matter.

Put aside hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer funds squandered on the investigation, New York Times reporter Judith Miller's 85 days in jail, the angst and legal fees of scores of witnesses, the White House held siege to a criminal investigation while fighting the war on terror, Karl Rove's reputation maligned, and "Scooter" Libby's resignation and indictment. By his silence, Mr. Armitage is responsible for one of the most factually distorted investigations in history.

There is a reason the old Watergate question--What did he know and when did he know it?--has become part of our investigative culture. It provides a paradigm for parsing a complicated factual scenario.

• Joseph Wilson. In July 2003, when he demanded an investigation of a White House cabal for violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act by "outing" his wife, Mr. Wilson knew Ms. Plame did not meet the factual requirements for covert status under the act. She was neither covert at the time of publication nor had a covert foreign assignment within five years. He acknowledged so in his book: "My move back to Washington [in June 1997] coincided with the return to D.C. of a woman named Valerie Plame." As the Senate negotiator for this 1982 act, I know a trip or two by Ms. Plame to a foreign country while assigned to Langley, where she worked in July 2003, is not considered a foreign assignment. I also know covert officers are not assigned to Langley.

• Richard Armitage. Mr. Armitage now claims he knew only on Oct. 1, 2003 that he was Mr. Novak's source. We should question that claim in light of Mr. Novak's account this week that Mr. Armitage "made clear he considered [the information about Ms. Plame] especially suited for my column."

Mr. Armitage also knew he had met with Bob Woodward on June 13, 2003, telling him about Mr. Wilson's wife's CIA employment and her role in her husband's trip to Niger. But when the FBI interviewed Mr. Armitage on Oct. 2, he admitted to the Novak conversation only, notably forgetting meeting with one of our country's premier investigative reporters. By attributing his longtime silence to Mr. Fitzgerald's request, Mr. Armitage must have forgotten Mr. Fitzgerald was not appointed until Dec. 30, 2003. If Mr. Armitage had come forward during those three months, there might never have been a special counsel.

• Patrick Fitzgerald. What Mr. Fitzgerald knew, and chose to ignore, is troublesome. Despite what some CIA good ol' boys might have told Mr. Fitzgerald, he knew from the day he took office that the facts did not support a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act; therefore, there was no crime to investigate. Although he claimed in Mr. Libby's indictment that Ms. Plame's employment status was "classified," Mr. Fitzgerald refuses to provide the basis for that fact and, even if true, can point to no law that would be violated by revealing a "classified" (not covert) employment. It was this gap in the law that created the need to pass the act in the first place.

Mr. Armitage intimated on CBS that, although his "chitchat" was careless, there was perhaps "a conspiracy" in the White House to retaliate against Mr. Wilson. However, Mr. Fitzgerald knew (prior to indicting Mr. Libby) that Mr. Armitage was Mr. Novak's original source, Mr. Libby never spoke to Mr. Novak, and Messrs. Rove and Libby had merely responded to reporters' questions. Hardly acts of initiating a criminal conspiracy. Mr. Fitzgerald knows it is not criminal to discredit a mendacious attack on the president. There was a crime only if Ms. Plame were covert and the person revealed that fact with knowledge of her status. Mr. Fitzgerald learned during the investigation that not one person had any basis to think she was covert. Just ask Mr. Armitage, who asserted in his apologia, "I had never seen a covered agent's name in any memo . . . in 28 years of government."
During the investigation Mr. Fitzgerald learned that a former New York Times reporter, Cliff May, twice told the FBI that, prior to Mr. Novak's column, he had heard in an offhand way from a nongovernment employee that Mr. Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, a clear indication that her employment was known on the street. Ditto columnist Hugh Sidey, who wrote that Ms. Plame's name was "knocking around in the sub rosa world . . . for a long time."

Mr. Armitage, who came forward after Mr. Libby was indicted, was told in February 2006, after two grand jury appearances, he would not be indicted. Mr. Rove, however, after five grand jury appearances, was not informed until July 2006 he would not be charged. Mr. Fitzgerald made the Rove decision appear strained, a close call. Yet of the two men's conduct, Mr. Armitage's deserved more scrutiny. And Mr. Fitzgerald knew it. Each had testified before the grand jury about a conversation with Mr. Novak. Each had forgotten about a conversation with an additional reporter: Mr. Armitage with Mr. Woodward, Mr. Rove with Time's Matt Cooper. However, Mr. Rove came forward pre-indictment, immediately, when reminded of the second conversation. When Mr. Woodward attempted to ask Mr. Armitage about the matter, on two separate occasions pre-indictment, Mr. Armitage refused to discuss it and abruptly cut him off. To be charitable, assume he did not independently recall his conversation with Mr. Woodward. Would not two phone calls requesting to talk about the matter refresh his recollection? Now we also know Messrs. Armitage and Novak have vastly different recollections of their conversation. Isn't that what Mr. Libby was indicted for?

What Mr. Fitzgerald chose not to know is even more troublesome than what he chose to ignore. When Mr. Armitage came forth in October 2003, why did Mr. Fitzgerald not request his appointment calendar from early May, the time the first story appeared in the national press about an unnamed former ambassador's trip to Niger? Mr. Fitzgerald demanded this type of information from White House personnel. Just think, if he had done so of Mr. Armitage, he would have learned prior to indictment about Mr. Woodward's appointment.

By the time he indicted Mr. Libby on Oct. 28, 2005, Mr. Fitzgerald knew two conflicting facts about the classified nature of the Niger trip: since at least early May 2003, Mr. Wilson was discussing his Niger trip with the press (Nicholas Kristof, the New York Times) and claimed in his July 2003 NYT op-ed that his mission was "discreet, but by no means secret." Yet, the indictment states that around June 9, 2003, the CIA sent "classified" documents to the vice president's office discussing "Wilson and his trip to Niger." If the trip was classified for the vice president, why was it declassified for Mr. Wilson? Did Mr. Wilson violate any law by revealing his trip or did Mr. Fitzgerald choose not to know?
Did Mr. Fitzgerald subpoena Ms. Plame? He could have asked her why, if she were truly covert, was she attending an Eastern Shore meeting in May 2003 with Democratic senators. The first journalist to reveal Ms. Plame was "covert" was David Corn, on July 16, 2003, two days after Mr. Novak's column. The latter never wrote, because he did not know and it was not so, that Ms. Plame was covert. However, Mr. Corn claimed Mr. Novak "outed" her as an "undercover CIA officer," querying whether Bush officials blew "the cover of a U.S. intelligence officer working covertly in . . . national security." Was Mr. Corn subpoenaed? Did Mr. Fitzgerald subpoena Mr. Wilson to attest he had never revealed his wife's employment to anyone? If he had done so, he might have learned Mr. Corn's source.

It is not just Mr. Armitage who should apologize. So should Joe Wilson and Pat Fitzgerald.

Ms. Toensing was chief counsel for the Senate Intelligence Committee and deputy assistant attorney general in the Reagan administration.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008948
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Stradee
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 02:53 pm
http://www.jobwatch.org/

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/ib219

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/ib218
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 02:58 pm
Advocate wrote:
Dys, what a loutish reply. It seems that everything McG said is true.

Kiss my go-to-hell
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 03:22 pm
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix, I am afraid you are a moron and ignorant.

Maybe so, but then he'd be a moron who posted a pertinent and intelligent article. I can't speak to Stuart Buck, but Megan McArdle is a reality-based conservative. When she says she e-mailed the authors and they said they compared data from two different sets, I trust her.

Meanwhile, everyone is welcome to surf the Statistical Abstract of the United States to see how American incomes have developed during the Bush presidency. Judging by what I'm gleaning from the various surveys, the numbers seem to fall somewhere between Cycloptichorn's map on the one hand and Buck's and McArdle's rebuttal. And whatever statistic you prefer, the growth of median income is meager compared to the economic growth Bush presided over.
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MarionT
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 03:51 pm
The Plame Kerfluffle by Victoria Toensing? She is a oud oouthed right winger who served under Reagan. She would never tell the truth.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 04:08 pm
Thomas wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix, I am afraid you are a moron and ignorant.

Maybe so, but then he'd be a moron who posted a pertinent and intelligent article. I can't speak to Stuart Buck, but Megan McArdle is a reality-based conservative. When she says she e-mailed the authors and they said they compared data from two different sets, I trust her.

Meanwhile, everyone is welcome to surf the Statistical Abstract of the United States to see how American incomes have developed during the Bush presidency. Judging by what I'm gleaning from the various surveys, the numbers seem to fall somewhere between Cycloptichorn's map on the one hand and Buck's and McArdle's rebuttal. And whatever statistic you prefer, the growth of median income is meager compared to the economic growth Bush presided over.


In reviewing the overall data--not necessarily here but in other sources I've looked at recently--it appears median incomes are substantially up in 20 states, down in others, flat in others. The states taking the biggest hits seem up be four to six upper mid west mostly blue states. The 'blue' part may or may not be significant.

I'm in a business in which I see a lot of P&Ls and also learn the objectives of a lot of businesses and at least in these parts, the gross revenues are up substantially, most businesses are hiring, and wages are up. And we are a relatively poor state by national standards. My colleagues over four neighboring states report much the same story re personal incomes appearing to be up.

Another consideration is that thorny 'median income' thing. As we are enjoying essentially full employment, that means a lot of folks previously unecmployed are coming back into the job market plus the maturing kids going to work on first jobs do so at a lot of entry level positions which would bring the median down. As few of these will likely stay at entry level wages, that could portend much better stats later on.

I believe the only thing hindering the overall U.S. economy right now is the mainstream media's near constant negative portrayal of it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 04:32 pm
I shouldn't have posted the map. I didn't research the methodology, and apologize for failing to do so.

Cycloptichorn
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 04:43 pm
Quote:
I believe the only thing hindering the overall U.S. economy right now is the mainstream media's near constant negative portrayal of it.


Yes. Why can't they put a rosy spin on FORD's future??
Only 10,000 jobs lost in the white collar ranks and a measly 30,000 from the factory floors.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 04:51 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Quote:
I believe the only thing hindering the overall U.S. economy right now is the mainstream media's near constant negative portrayal of it.


Yes. Why can't they put a rosy spin on FORD's future??
Only 10,000 jobs lost in the white collar ranks and a measly 30,000 from the factory floors.


For the same reason they can't put a rosy spin on any of those upper midwest states I included on the downside. But one or six or ten industries in trouble is much more likely to be a result of lack of vision or poor managmeent than directly related to the economy.

Ford's financial outlook would be much rosier if they were building and offering for sale automobiles and trucks that more people want to buy. The fact that they aren't doing that can't be pinned on the economy. If it was the economy you would be seeing massive layoffs or declarations of bankruptcy or dealership closing down at Subaru and Kia and Land Rover and Saturn. They're all doing well.

People haven't stopped buying cars. They're just not buying enough Fords. So who is to blame for that?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 05:02 pm
Thomas wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
McGentrix, I am afraid you are a moron and ignorant.

Maybe so, but then he'd be a moron who posted a pertinent and intelligent article. I can't speak to Stuart Buck, but Megan McArdle is a reality-based conservative. When she says she e-mailed the authors and they said they compared data from two different sets, I trust her.

Meanwhile, everyone is welcome to surf the Statistical Abstract of the United States to see how American incomes have developed during the Bush presidency. Judging by what I'm gleaning from the various surveys, the numbers seem to fall somewhere between Cycloptichorn's map on the one hand and Buck's and McArdle's rebuttal. And whatever statistic you prefer, the growth of median income is meager compared to the economic growth Bush presided over.
I was, of course, nor referencing any specific post by McGentrix, rqather, I was posting in reference to McGentix hisself in the same vein as Possum R FartBubble who finds that anyone with whom he/she/disagress is a moron and ignorant. I find this to be pertinent attitude to take on a2k due to its common usuage. Fuc*k pertinent and intelligent, it counts for nil here.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 05:17 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:
Quote:
I believe the only thing hindering the overall U.S. economy right now is the mainstream media's near constant negative portrayal of it.


Yes. Why can't they put a rosy spin on FORD's future??
Only 10,000 jobs lost in the white collar ranks and a measly 30,000 from the factory floors.


For the same reason they can't put a rosy spin on any of those upper midwest states I included on the downside. But one or six or ten industries in trouble is much more likely to be a result of lack of vision or poor managmeent than directly related to the economy.

Ford's financial outlook would be much rosier if they were building and offering for sale automobiles and trucks that more people want to buy. The fact that they aren't doing that can't be pinned on the economy. If it was the economy you would be seeing massive layoffs or declarations of bankruptcy or dealership closing down at Subaru and Kia and Land Rover and Saturn. They're all doing well.

People haven't stopped buying cars. They're just not buying enough Fords. So who is to blame for that?


Quote:
GM spent $5.2 billion in 2004 to provide health care to about 1.1 million employees, retirees and dependents. The company suggests that the bill might rise 7.7 percent to $5.6 billion this year. That amounts to approximately $1,525 per vehicle before GM even begins to manufacture anything.


Source

This could also be affecting Ford, but as the article states later on, there may be other factors involved the decline of Ford sales.
Like the fact that a massive proportion of both their lineups consist of pick-ups, Hummers, SUV's and gas guzzling mid-to-large size vehicles.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 06:33 pm
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that FORD's troubles were not of it's own making. So let's take a wider view of where we are.


To paraphrase former Mayor Ed Koch: How are we doing?
Quote:
From TIME Magazine this week:
WAGES: Flat •The median income in the U.S. finally ticked upward in 2005 after declining for five years. That's good news, but only for the top 20% of earners--those making more than about $90,000 a year. Below that, everyone lost ground to inflation Median household income, in thousands 1970-2005 $46,326

•Household income might have increased, but individual earnings dropped again last year. A likely explanation is that more members of households are working to make ends meet. Men's earnings have been flat since the 1970s
Men's median earnings, 1970-2005 $41,386
Women's median earnings, 1970-2005 $31,858

JOB GROWTH: Slow •After two negative years, job growth picked up in September 2003, with 5.6 million people added to payrolls since then. But that barely keeps up with population growth, which adds about 125,000 workers to the labor force each month

•The unemployment rate is low, just 4.7% in August, but that doesn't include people who have given up looking for work. The percentage of the working-age population that is employed remains below its January 2001 level

REAL ESTATE: Shaky •The real estate boom of the past several years had Americans feeling wealthy, at least on paper. Millions of people have used their home equity like a credit card. But flat or dropping home prices may drain that money pool


We are crawling along down here in the lower middle class, but there is good news. Time's cover asks the question and the answer is yes, yes, yes.


http://img.timeinc.net/time/images/covers/1101060918_120.jpg

Joe(I, for one, am much relieved.)Nation
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