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Bush supporters' aftermath thread II

 
 
Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 08:55 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Coretta Scott King devoted her life to the ideals of equality, fair treatment and human dignity. Naturally this was political as Coretta devoted her life to fighting the republican party.


As all of us should be doing!!

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 09:08 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Amazing how upset you people get when people have the temerity to tell the truth.

Cycloptichorn


Regardless of the truth of the message, are you saying you think a funeral is the time and place for political speech?

The "Reverend" Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church clan like to picket the funerals of soldiers (or anyone else for that matter) claiming as their central message: "God Hates Fags." It's a completely legal activity, but shows very little class.

Do you think using the occasion of a funeral to take political pot shots at your "opponent" shows a lot of class? Or a complete lack of it?


Tell me about how much class it was to play up the Pat Tilmon demise up and make in National Patriotic day during the halftime of a football game. Especially since the military was lying to everyone, including his parents as to the truth as to what happened. That was real classy!! I don't think you rightwingers would know class if bit you in the ass!!

Coretta was probably cheering from above!!

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 09:11 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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"She extended Martin's message against poverty, racism and war. She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar. We know now that there were no weapons of mass destruction over there," Lowery said.

The mostly black crowd applauded, then rose to its feet and cheered in a two-minute-long standing ovation.


Well, let's see. It certainly seems the audience approved. Who are you to tell them what is appropriate and what isn't?

Cycloptichorn


Rightwingers ... the epitome of class, and determining what is appropriate!! Rolling Eyes

Anon
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 06:29 am
Perhaps you folks are a bit too comfortable with seeing Bush in environments fully and completely controlled by his PR people such that dissent to Bush policies is made to seem absent or marginal.

The King funeral presented to America (as did Katrina) a huge segment of the population who do not fall into your neat and tidy little worldviews. They do not agree with you that Bush represents the nadir of honesty, integrity, justice, nor christian charity. And clearly (and oh so refreshingly) they are also not frightened to speak loudly their hearts and minds on the matter of the decrepit and rotted morality of this administration.

Your notions of what constitutes appropriate dialogue at, of all people, Coretta King's funeral seems just another example of your partisan (and cultural) rigidity. I'd also predict that none of you can dance worth a damn.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 06:39 am
And now, let's take up some details on the NASA issue that came to light last week where, once again, a Bush appointee heading up a government branch upon which we assume and depend upon non-partisan, objective and accurate scientific research and reporting undercuts our assumptions and citizens' trust by misrepresenting the actual science or by suppressing speech which is perceived as politically negative...

Quote:
A Young Bush Appointee Resigns His Post at NASA

By ANDREW C. REVKIN
Published: February 8, 2006
George C. Deutsch, the young presidential appointee at NASA who told public affairs workers to limit reporters' access to a top climate scientist and told a Web designer to add the word "theory" at every mention of the Big Bang, resigned yesterday, agency officials said.

NASA Chief Backs Agency Openness (Feb. 4, 2006) Mr. Deutsch's resignation came on the same day that officials at Texas A&M University confirmed that he did not graduate from there, as his résumé on file at the agency asserted.

Officials at NASA headquarters declined to discuss the reason for the resignation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/08/politics/08nasa.html

Doncha just love that bit in red?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 07:00 am
And wouldn't it be wonderful to read Mark Twain's thoughts and words about George Bush? As close as we can get to that is Keillor...

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The little man

History will remember Bush as an incompetent and incurious man overwhelmed by a world too big for him.
By Garrison Keillor

Feb. 08, 2006 | The headline of the AP story was "Bush Urges Confidence in His Leadership" -- which is like "Author Says Memoir Is True" or "FEMA Offers Contingency Plan" -- and I didn't bother to read further. The Old Brush Cutter never got the knack of urging, and whenever he tries, he looks small and petulant, like a cartoon of himself. He photographs well in formal situations, and he is good at keeping a low profile when necessary, which is a key to survival in politics, as in boxing, but when it comes to the hortatory, he gets all hissy and squinty.

As a preacher, he is not in the top 50 percentile, and if his name were J. Ralph Cooter he would be hard put to find work in any of the persuasive professions. But there he is, giving the State of the Union, more or less in charge of the shop, or on a first-name basis with those who are, and so long as he refrains from perjury and tax increases and doesn't wear a dress to the Easter Egg Roll, he will probably slide along OK.

Of greater interest than the president's remarks to Congress was the report of the Office of Personnel Management showing that the federal government continues to grow under Republican rule. The executive branch now employs 1.85 million at an average salary of $63,125. In our nation's capital, the average is a handsome $80,425. Of course, the hiring of screeners at airports raised the total, but screeners' average salary is around $27,000 a year, which pulls down the average, which means there must be many happy folks in the higher ranges, assistant pooh-bahs and panjandrums and dukes of earl who are adept at taking a small acorn and weaving a seven-hour day around it, for which they enjoy job security, 13 paid holidays and 21 vacation days, and retirement at up to 80 percent of salary.

Not a bad gig, considering. There are mature gifted musicians scuffling for less than screeners earn, and farm families scraping along despite prayer and hard labor, and genius comedians scrapping for spare change. So a young Republican lady or gent could be tickled pink to land a job as assistant secretary for compliance assurance and get an 18-by-24 office with a window looking out on the Washington Monument and spend the day in meetings after which you will write memos of ingenious persiflage and obfuscation, like a cat smoothing the litter box.

Republicans believe in smaller government and deregulation, but it takes more and more of their friends and loved ones to not regulate us, and who can blame them? Washington is the perfect place for the slacker child who flubbed his way through college and flopped in business and whom friends and family kept having to prop up -- find him a government job. Government service is a broadening experience. It certainly has been for Mr. Bush. He has traveled to China and Europe and other places that never interested him before. He has come into contact with the poor people of New Orleans in a way that never would have occurred to him in his earlier years. He has met opera singers and jazz musicians and journalists. This is all good.

And he has met the families of soldiers killed in Iraq and visited with young people horribly wounded in the war, which would be a soul-searing experience for any commander. To see a beautiful young woman who must now live without an arm as a direct result of decisions you made -- who could see this and not scour the depths of your conscience?

And to suffer pangs of conscience even as you exhort the public to have confidence in you -- this has to be an interesting experience. Your mistakes are responsible for terrible suffering, but you stand among your victims and urge public support for your policies as a sign of support for the people those policies have injured. This is a plot worthy of Shakespeare.

So why does he still seem so small, our president? In his presidential library, he'll be portrayed as Abraham Lincoln after Chancellorsville and FDR after Corregidor, but to most of us, the crisis in Washington today stems from a man intellectually and temperamentally unequipped to rise to the challenge. Most of us sense that when, decades from now, the story of this administration comes out, it will be one of ordinary incompetence, of rigid and incurious people overwhelmed by events in a world they don't dare look around and see.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 07:28 am
And some more on political appointees who are loyal even if they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Quote:
State Department sees exodus of weapons experts
By Warren P. StrobelKnight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - State Department officials appointed by President Bush have sidelined key career weapons experts and replaced them with less experienced political operatives who share the White House and Pentagon's distrust of international negotiations and treaties.
The reorganization of the department's arms control and international security bureaus was intended to help it better deal with 21st-century threats. Instead, it's thrown the agency into turmoil and produced an exodus of experts with decades of experience in nuclear arms, chemical weapons and related matters, according to 11 current and former officials and documents obtained by Knight Ridder.
The reorganization was conducted largely in secret by a panel of four political appointees. A career expert was allowed to join the group only after most decisions had been made. Its work was overseen by Frederick Fleitz, a CIA officer who was detailed to the State Department as senior adviser to former Undersecretary of State John Bolton, a critic of arms agreements and international organizations.
Bolton's nomination to be the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was nearly derailed last year by allegations that he'd harassed and bullied his staff. Some State Department weapons experts from offices that had clashed with Bolton were denied senior positions in the reorganization, even though they had superior qualifications, the officials and documents alleged...
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/13814730.htm


Uh...are you guys ever going to face up to problems that arise when "democratic governance" is defined by constant deceit, obfuscation and secrecy, and profligate ass-kissing?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 07:59 am
Condi cleans house Smile About time.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 08:02 am
Condi doesn't clean house. She has blacks do it.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 08:04 am
blatham wrote:
And clearly (and oh so refreshingly) they are also not frightened to speak loudly their hearts and minds on the matter of the decrepit and rotted morality of this administration.


Your damn right that was refreshing, blatham. It was very satisfying to see that bastard away from his protective bubble for once and caused to squirm in his chair.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 08:07 am
They were discussing this very subject on Air America's "Majority Report" last night and the host received a call from a very irate Bush-backer who was screaming about the horror of turning this woman's funeral into a political bout.

I thought to myself, "This is exactly what this woman would have wanted."

And, by the way, the irate caller's name was Brandon.

Do you suppose?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 08:17 am
Garrison said it better than I possibly could have....
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 08:21 am
And what did Garrison say?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 08:33 am
Hi gus

I wasn't able to watch all of the funeral but it was perhaps the most wonderful and moving celebration of a woman's life as I could imagine. Even George Bush senior came alive in the context of that church and culture. Absolutely beautiful in all respects. And Jimmy Carter...I love that guy more and more all the time. A christian who actually has christian values. It isn't terribly surprising that Republicans get about 2% of the black vote (which also explains the sort of remarks seen earlier here). Much of what the RNC has been doing over the last decade has an "increase the black vote" strategy (gay marriage, abortion, token blacks up front at conventions, etc) and the King funeral is precisely the sort of event which galvanizes the black vote to rally around its traditional ally, the Dem party.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 09:03 am
I thought Jimmy Carter showed zero class--I was very disappointed in him--and no, Rosa Parks would not have wanted her funeral made into a political forum for anybody. She did have class unlike some of her presumed admirers.

But ignoring the trolls, spammers, and distractors, it is encouraging to see the Left continues to show how out of the mainstream they are and how they have absolutely nothing going for them on the poltical scene other than hatred, negativity, immaturity, stupidity, and bad manners.

I think the GOP, with all its faults, at least is looking forward and can expect to stay in power for the foreseeable future.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 09:12 am
Your displeasure with Carter will, I'm sure, resonate throughout the ether and turn every peanut black and every black to your party.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 12:33 pm
Boortz' take:

Quote:
BOORISH, IGNORANT BEHAVIOR

Was it a funeral? Or was it a political rally? Sadly, both. No .. I didn't watch it. It's hard to watch television when you're under general anesthesia. But I did manage to listen to some sound clips and watch a bit of video [view Lowery and presidents] yesterday evening. It looks like there were some old leftist warhorses at the Coretta Scott King funeral yesterday who were determined to use the occasion to get in some shots against President Bush. In today's politics, that wasn't surprising. You do remember the Paul Wellstone funeral in Minnesota, don't you? The 2002 memorial service turned into a full-fledged campaign rally for Walter Mondale who was running against Republican Norm Colman for Wellstone's seat. Republicans at this memorial service, Trent Lott, for instance, were booed by the crowd. Some pundits believe that this memorial-service-turned-political-rally had much to do with the Democrats miserable performance in the 2002 mid-term elections.

This repugnant behavior was to be expected out of Joseph Lowery. He chose the occasion of the funeral of the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. to announce that we found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Never mind that Lowery is wrong. He's often wrong. For Lowery, the race baiting and liberal dogma always comes before fact and logic. He didn't measure up as President of King's SCLC, and he didn't measure up to the task of being a gentleman and honoring Coretta Scott King yesterday.

Then there was Jimmy Carter. Some people refer to Carter as "America's best ex-president." Well, if you want to consider his empowerment of people like Kim Jong Ill and Hugo Chavez as good for America, then you may have a point. If measuring the worth of a former president consists of measuring his affection for the world's dictators, then Carter is indeed one of the best. Carter used the occasion of this funeral to take a jab at bush over the NSA wiretaps. Carter has declared them to be illegal. Now he's a judge and a legal scholar. Carter brought up the fact that the FBI wiretapped Martin Luther King. He didn't mention that this happened under Democratic administrations. He also failed to mention that it was under a Democratic institution that tapes of those wiretaps, tapes purportedly showing instances of MLK's infidelities, were surreptitiously sent to his wife.

President Bush knew that this would happen when he went to the funeral. He knew that Democrats and liberals would use an overwhelmingly friendly audience to take their shots. He showed great dignity in sitting there and taking it all in stride. Bush stood tall, Lowery and Carter stooped low.

This, then, seems to be the new standard for funerals and memorial services for liberal icons. The TV cameras will be there. Millions will be watching, and emotions will be raw. What a great time to get in some political digs! Both Joseph Lowery and Jimmy Carter should be ashamed. Sadly, they don't have the class to understand that.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 12:41 pm
So Tico, you think Coretta baked yummy cookies?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 12:55 pm
dyslexia wrote:
So Tico, you think Coretta baked yummy cookies?


I suppose it depends what kind she was making, and the recipe used. Why do you ask?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 01:06 pm
By the way, this got lost a few pages ago, and I think it merits a second look.

JustWonders wrote:
From Cyclops' link re: Katrina and equality in America:

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And as Greenspan himself points out, by many measures the economy is doing well. Unemployment is down, GDP is up. Inflation still slumbers. Current standards of living are unmatched.

"So you can look at the system and say it's got a lot of problems to it, and sure it does. It always has," Greenspan told the JEC last week. "But you can't get around the fact that this is the most extraordinarily successful economy in history."




I heard on the radio a little while ago (from Roger Hitchcock I think) that since Bush's tax cuts, federal revenues have exceeded the equivalent prior three-year revenues by 62 billion per year.

And then there is this today in the NYT (excerpted):

Some Democrats Are Sensing Missed Opportunities SOURCE
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