THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

If Bush's rhetoric is irrelevant, what's yours?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Is that anything like the Jews stealing the property of Palestinians?

While I have not encountered any evidence of Jews stealing property in Palestine, I bet that there were/are some Jews stealing property from some Arabs in Palestine. I also bet there were/are some Arabs stealing property from some Jews in Palestine. I know such thefts when detected in Israel are punished in Israel. I do not know whether such thefts when detected in Arab Palestine are punished in Arab Palestine. Also, I know that Israel contains both property owning Arabs and property owning Jews. While I know Arab Palestine contains property owning Arabs, I don't know whether Arab Palestine contains any property owning Jews.

While some liberals are Arabs and some liberals are Jews, none of the foregoing has anything to do with the fact that:

ican711nm wrote:

The modern liberal is engaged in man's oldest exercise in moral philosophy: that is the search for a superior moral justification for stealing.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

If Bush's rhetoric is irrelevant, what's yours?

Same as yours!

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ican wrote: I also bet there were/are some Arabs stealing property from some Jews in Palestine.

Prove it.

True; our rhetoric is worth absolutely nothing in the world of Bushco.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

ican wrote: I also bet there were/are some Arabs stealing property from some Jews in Palestine.

Prove it.

True; our rhetoric is worth absolutely nothing in the world of Bushco.

When I say I bet, I mean to imply that I cannot provide evidence to support my guess.

When I said the same as yours, I was thinking your rhetoric and my rhetoric are equally relevant. But just because they are equally relevant doesn't mean they are equally valid.

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I wonder what American can be proud of this mess we have created, of all these lives we have destroyed.

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Survey indicates Iraqis in despair

Citizens in Iraq and in the US hope to see an end to the presence of American troops in Iraq

More than 90 per cent of Iraqis believe the country is worse off now than before the war in 2003, according to new research obtained by Al Jazeera.

A survey of 2,000 people by the Iraq Centre for Research and Strategic Studies found that 95 per cent of respondents believe the security situation has deteriorated since the arrival of US forces.

The findings follow a poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal that found that less than one in four Americans approves of George Bush's administration's handling of the conflict in Iraq.

It also comes as armed men attacked the convoy of Iraq's vice-president and as up to 30 Iraqis were kidnapped in Baghdad on Thursday.
NBC reported that only 23 per cent of respondents backed the president's strategy, representing an 11-point drop since the last NBC poll in October.

Nearly seven in 10 respondents said they felt less confident the war would come to a successful conclusion, NBC said. Fifty three per cent said the US did not have an obligation to killed or wounded American soldiers to remain in Iraq.

'Very poor' government
Bush has said he is considering options for changing US policy in Iraq following the results of the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group report, but has said he will not be rushed into any decision.

"Bush and Blair, with their key aides, should be sent to trial for treason and crimes against humanity and maybe corruption."
Van Zwam, Dendermonde, Belgium

Nearly 66 per cent of respondents to the Iraqi survey thought violence would decrease if US forces were to leave.

Thirty-eight per cent were also "unconfident" that Nuri al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister, would be able to improve the situation in Iraq and nearly 90 per cent described the government's implementation of its commitments and promises as very poor.

Of the respondents, 36.5 per cent said they felt the official security forces were unable to keep control in the country.

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xingu wrote:

I wonder what American can be proud of this mess we have created, of all these lives we have destroyed.
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Survey indicates Iraqis in despair
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Yes, Iraq is a mess! Crying or Very sad