THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

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nations come and nations go .
we may think that "our" nation is so much more special than all other nations , but thinking so , doesn't make it so .
just imagine if we had lived 500 years ago and would be able to look at the world today . there would be quite a few surprises .
well , let's try a different exercise ; let's close our eyes and pretend we are coming back in another 500 years . again , there would be quite a few surprises .
imo there is no reason to believe that everything won't change as much during the next 500 years as it did during the last 500 years .

that's simply the way the world moves . no need to fret .
hbg

November 29, 2006
Bush Adviser's Memo Cites Doubts About Iraqi Leader
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
New York Times

A classified memorandum by President Bush's national security adviser expressed serious doubts about whether Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki had the capacity to control the sectarian violence in Iraq and recommended that the United States take new steps to strengthen the Iraqi leader's position.

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BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

November 29, 2006
Bush Adviser's Memo Cites Doubts About Iraqi Leader
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
New York Times

A classified memorandum by President Bush's national security adviser expressed serious doubts about whether Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki had the capacity to control the sectarian violence in Iraq and recommended that the United States take new steps to strengthen the Iraqi leader's position.

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While this memo is classified, it's no secret that almost all of us have serious doubts about "whether Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki [has] the capacity to control the sectarian violence in Iraq." But it is secret that members of our government are thinking this is true.

It is also no secret that the New York Times has again violated federal law by publishing a classified document before it is declassified.

I think this newest New York Times's breach of USA security also hinders rather than helps solve the problem. It is not only illegal; it is irresponsible, because it gives aid and comfort to our enemies in their continuing sectarian violence in Iraq.

The publisher of the New York Times must be held accountable for this breach of USA security in order to discourage such future breaches.

Well good for the NYT. The American public should be informed and this information is not going to damage our security.

ican711nm

Did it ever cross your mind that if it was indeed classified, to ask why it was given to the times? I will give you that answer. Because the administration wanted it disseminated.

As it was most assuredly a Cabinet member who leaked this,

Why are you not calling for an investigation into who leaked, Ican?

The Times has the right to print whatever it wishes. You need to go to the source if you want to stop leaks...

Cycloptichorn

It isn't exactly clear which aspect you find humorous, Ican. The fact that a senior admin official is leaking to the press should be a cause of some concern for you, one would think.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It isn't exactly clear which aspect you find humorous, Ican. The fact that a senior admin official is leaking to the press should be a cause of some concern for you, one would think.

Cycloptichorn

The aspect I find humorous is your and your buddies' reactions to the leak.

It is also no secret that the New York Times has again violated federal law by publishing a classified document before it is declassified.

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ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

It isn't exactly clear which aspect you find humorous, Ican. The fact that a senior admin official is leaking to the press should be a cause of some concern for you, one would think.

Cycloptichorn

The aspect I find humorous is your and your buddies' reactions to the leak.

Really?
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711nm wrote:

It is also no secret that the New York Times has again violated federal law by publishing a classified document before it is declassified.

But, it is also a violation of Federal law to disseminate classified information to news organizations. What more, those in the Federal government swear an oath not to do so, whereas the NYT takes no such oath whatsoever.
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Cycloptichorn

... the New York Times has again violated federal law by publishing a classified document before it is declassified.

I think this newest New York Times's breach of USA security also hinders rather than helps solve the problem. It is not only illegal; it is irresponsible, because it gives aid and comfort to our enemies in their continuing sectarian violence in Iraq.

The publisher of the New York Times must be held accountable for this breach of USA security in order to discourage such future breaches.

As it was most assuredly a Cabinet member who leaked this,

Why are you not calling for an investigation into who leaked, Ican?

The Times has the right to print whatever it wishes. You need to go to the source if you want to stop leaks...

Cycloptichorn

No, that in fact isn't our reaction whatsoever.

I don't say shame on anyone for leaking this info. I'm a proponent of open and non-secret government.

You are the one who is crying foul because of leaks...

I again ask you: do you think there should be investigations of who is leaking in the Executive branch, or are you going to shut up about the NYT? You can't have it both ways.

Cycloptichorn