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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 12:57 pm
Sorosicratics and their followers say: "Now [the Democratic Party is] our party! We bought it, we own it! The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States!"

What will be the consequences of Sorosicratics and their followers gaining control of the Congress?

Will we succeed in Iraq?

Will we be the same in Iraq?

Will we fail in Iraq?

Will we have fewer federal judges who legislate?

Will we have the same number of federal judges who legislate?

Will we have more federal judges who legislate?

Will we lower taxes?

Will we leave taxes the same?

Will we raise taxes?

Will humanity be better off?

Will humanity remain the same?

Will humanity be worse off?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:22 pm
PLEASE ICAN DON'T DO THIS TO US .... YA GOTTA GIVE US THE ANSWERS PLLEEEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEEEEEEE
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:28 pm
the soros solution to the iraq problem : he'll buy it !
no muss , no fuss , no bloodshed and everybody happy !

when i think of all the money spent in iraq , the united states could have probably bought iraq .
of course , the arms manufacturers would have been in the poorhouse .
hbg
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:29 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
PLEASE ICAN DON'T DO THIS TO US .... YA GOTTA GIVE US THE ANSWERS PLLEEEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEEEEEEE

Laughing

I've been giving you my answers all along.

Now, I want to know what your answers are.

So "PLEASE [Gelisgesti et al] DON'T DO THIS TO [me].... YA GOTTA GIVE [me] THE ANSWERS PLLEEEEEEEAAAASSSEEEEEEEEEE".

Confused
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 02:45 pm
hamburger wrote:
the soros solution to the iraq problem : he'll buy it !
no muss , no fuss , no bloodshed and everybody happy !

when i think of all the money spent in iraq , the united states could have probably bought iraq .
of course , the arms manufacturers would have been in the poorhouse .
hbg

The arms manufacturers could be bought by the sorosicrats too. For all I know, they already have.


Oh my ........ second thought ..........

If sorosicrats bought Iraq, they'd be accused by the leflib news media of doing it only for the oil!

Wait .......... third thought ............

No problem! The sorosicrats could buy the leflib news media too.

Whoa there ........... fourth thought ...........

The sorosicrats have already bought the leflib news media. Rolling Eyes
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 03:25 pm
I'm game.

ican711nm wrote:
Sorosicratics and their followers say: "Now [the Democratic Party is] our party! We bought it, we own it! The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States!"

What will be the consequences of Sorosicratics and their followers gaining control of the Congress?


There's no such thing as what you are talking about. There are various donors on the Republican side of the fence who give just as much money to Republicans as Soros does to Dems. But I will assume that you are talking about the Democratic party and will respond accordingly.

Will we succeed in Iraq?

No, no matter who wins this election, I don't think we will win.

Will we be the same in Iraq?

Best case scenario

Will we fail in Iraq?

Most likely scenario

Will we have fewer federal judges who legislate?

No

Will we have the same number of federal judges who legislate?

yes

Will we have more federal judges who legislate?

no

Will we lower taxes?

no

Will we leave taxes the same?

no

Will we raise taxes?

yes

Will humanity be better off?

some of them

Will humanity remain the same?

probably

Will humanity be worse off?

some of them[/quote]

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 06:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I'm game.

ican711nm wrote:
Sorosicratics and their followers say: "Now [the Democratic Party is] our party! We bought it, we own it! The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States!"

What will be the consequences of Sorosicratics and their followers gaining control of the Congress?


There's no such thing as what you are talking about.

I hope you're right! I invented the name Sorosicratic in response to the following quotes:
"American Supremacy is the greatest threat to the world today,"
George Soros, MoveON.org's billionaire benefactor.

"The main enemy of the open society, I believe, is no longer the communist but the capitalist threat,"
George Soros, February 1997.

"I have known George Soros for a long time now ... We need people like George Soros, who is fearless, and willing to step up when it counts,"
Hillary Clinton, June 3, 2004.

"The separation of church and state, the bed rock of our democracy, is clearly undermined by having a born again President,"
George Soros, October 18, 2004.

"Now [the Democratic Party is] our party! We bought it, we own it,"
Eli Parsera leader of MoveON.org, November 2004

"The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States,"
George Soros, June 2006.


There are various donors on the Republican side of the fence who give just as much money to Republicans as Soros does to Dems. But I will assume that you are talking about the Democratic party and will respond accordingly.

Thank you!

Will we succeed in Iraq?

No, no matter who wins this election, I don't think we will win.

Will we be the same in Iraq?

Best case scenario

Will we fail in Iraq?

Most likely scenario

Will we have fewer federal judges who legislate?

No

Will we have the same number of federal judges who legislate?

yes

Will we have more federal judges who legislate?

no

Will we lower taxes?

no

Will we leave taxes the same?

no

Will we raise taxes?

yes

Will humanity be better off?

some of them

Will humanity remain the same?

probably

Will humanity be worse off?

some of them


Cycloptichorn[/quote]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 11:47 pm
Today's The Guardian publishes a long report about the current situation in Iraq and possible solutions

http://i11.tinypic.com/4fu4yee.jpg

Really worth to read: The genteel revolt that is remaking US policy on Iraq
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 20 Oct, 2006 11:56 pm
Will humanity be better off?

some of them

I would only add that the "some" will be a very small minority. The rest of Americans will continue to suffer economic recession, and our children and grandchildren will be paying on Bush's national debt.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 12:00 am
Thanks Walter, and Guten Morgen! I will buy my copy of that newspaper later.
I see The Guardian online edition has got more readers in America than many major newspapers there. Interesting.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 12:07 am
Hi McT, That's not surprsing that more Americans depend on a British newspaper for "truth in news." Most of the media is owned by Murdock or other gight-wing nut that doesn't know anything about truth and balanced news.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 12:21 am
McTag wrote:
Thanks Walter, and Guten Morgen! I will buy my copy of that newspaper later.
I see The Guardian online edition has got more readers in America than many major newspapers there. Interesting.


Article about the august organ here

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-rusbridger/corporate-social-responsi_b_32081.html
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 02:28 am
Quote:
The paper's origins lie in the Peterloo massacre of August 1819, when troops rode into a peaceful crowd of Manchester protestors who had been demanding an extension of the vote, By the end of the day 11 members of the crowd had been killed and 560 unarmed civilians injured, a great many of them seriously, Among those locked up that evening was the sole reporter who witnessed the savagery, a certain Mr Tyas of the London Times.

There was a great fear that, with the only independent journalist out of circulation, the first version of events would be the official one - written by the very magistrates who had unleashed the murder on the crowd. But a man called John Edward Taylor wrote his own account, which he sent to London by the night coach and which appeared within 48 hours - and which was never overtaken by the so-called official version.

Inspired by what he'd done, Taylor decided to found a newspaper in Manchester. He called it the Manchester Guardian. The first issue appeared in 1821

(and, incidentally, included a short announcement of the death of Napoleon.) Shortly afterwards Taylor married a woman called Sophia Russell Scott. Sophia's nephew was CP Scott, who at the age of 25 became editor and remained in charge of - and owner of - the paper for an astonishing 57 years, dying in 1932.

Scott's son, Edward, took over as editor, but in his first year was tragically killed in a boating accident while on Lake Windermere with his son Richard, who is still alive today. The threat of a double set of death duties placed the newspaper in some jeopardy and, in an act of supreme selflessness, the Scott family set up a trust to own the Manchester Guardian, to ensure its independence and to enable it to live on in perpetuity.

And so we move to the present day.

The Scott Trust still owns the paper. It operates with a light touch. Trustees have a self-denying ordinance about discussing the paper's political line or the finer details of management or finance. They appoint editors (of which I am only the 10th since Taylor himself) and gives them one instruction, and only one: to carry on the traditions of the paper "as heretofore."

What does that mean? It means understanding, and being true to, the liberal and progressive ethos of the paper. It means an attachment to high journalistic ethical standards. It carries an assumption that the paper will be serious, politically independent and international in its outlook. Lord Robert Cecil once described the Guardian as "righteousness made readable." I'm not sure he intended it as a compliment
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 04:51 am
Quote:
Seven in Ten Americans Favor Congressional Candidates Who Will Pursue a Major Change in Foreign Policy
U.S. Public Wants Less Emphasis on Military Force, More on Working Through U.N.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/262.php?nid=&id=&pnt=262&lb=hmpg1
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 08:14 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Hi McT, That's not surprsing that more Americans depend on a British newspaper for "truth in news." Most of the media is owned by Murdock or other gight-wing nut that doesn't know anything about truth and balanced news.


If this new sentiment analysis program funded by homeland security gets up and running, reading from unfiltered foreign news may be a thing of the past.

Software Being Developed to Monitor Opinions of U.S.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 08:18 am
blatham wrote:
Quote:
Seven in Ten Americans Favor Congressional Candidates Who Will Pursue a Major Change in Foreign Policy
U.S. Public Wants Less Emphasis on Military Force, More on Working Through U.N.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/262.php?nid=&id=&pnt=262&lb=hmpg1


Thats all well and good,but need I remind you that the President sets foreign policy,not the congress.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 08:48 am
Bush, Rumsfeld Defend Strategy
They Say Surge In Violence Won't Change Iraq Goals

By Ann Scott Tyson and Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 21, 2006; Page A01

President Bush and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld yesterday defended the U.S. strategy in Iraq, saying the ultimate goals remain unchanged despite escalating violence and increasingly somber assessments from military leaders on the ground.

Speaking at a Washington fundraiser, Bush said the U.S. goal in Iraq "is clear and unchanging": creating a country that can govern and defend itself and "that will be an ally in the war against these extremists."


In a briefing later at the Pentagon, Rumsfeld played down the significance of fighting and sectarian violence that have erupted over the past few days outside Baghdad, as U.S. troops in Iraq suffer some of the highest monthly casualties since the 2003 invasion.


Continued
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/20/AR2006102000867.html?referrer=email


I can't help but wonder what rock these two have been hiding under or pehaps it's a fools paradise.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 09:11 am
revel wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Hi McT, That's not surprsing that more Americans depend on a British newspaper for "truth in news." Most of the media is owned by Murdock or other gight-wing nut that doesn't know anything about truth and balanced news.


If this new sentiment analysis program funded by homeland security gets up and running, reading from unfiltered foreign news may be a thing of the past.

Software Being Developed to Monitor Opinions of U.S.


What price "They hate our freedoms" now? There, potentially, goes another one.

Orwellian is right.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 08:34 pm


ERIC LIPTON wrote:
Software Being Developed to Monitor Opinions of U.S.
By ERIC LIPTON
WASHINGTON, Oct. 3 -- A consortium of major universities, using Homeland Security Department money, is developing software that would let the government monitor negative opinions of the United States or its leaders in newspapers and other publications overseas.

Such a "sentiment analysis" is intended to identify potential threats to the nation, security officials said.

Researchers at institutions including Cornell, the University of Pittsburgh and the University of Utah intend to test the system on hundreds of articles published in 2001 and 2002 on topics like President Bush's use of the term "axis of evil," the handling of detainees at Guantánamo Bay, the debate over global warming and the coup attempt against President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela.

A $2.4 million grant will finance the research over three years.

American officials have long relied on newspapers and other news sources to track events and opinions here and abroad, a goal that has included the routine translation of articles from many foreign publications and news services.

The new software would allow much more rapid and comprehensive monitoring of the global news media, as the Homeland Security Department and, perhaps, intelligence agencies look "to identify common patterns from numerous sources of information which might be indicative of potential threats to the nation," a statement by the department said.

It could take several years for such a monitoring system to be in place, said Joe Kielman, coordinator of the research effort. The monitoring would not extend to United States news, Mr. Kielman said.

"We want to understand the rhetoric that is being published and how intense it is, such as the difference between dislike and excoriate," he said.

Even the basic research has raised concern among journalism advocates and privacy groups, as well as representatives of the foreign news media.

"It is just creepy and Orwellian," said Lucy Dalglish, a lawyer and former editor who is executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press.

Andrei Sitov, Washington bureau chief of the Itar-Tass news agency of Russia, said he hoped that the objective did not go beyond simply identifying threats to efforts to stifle criticism about an American president or administration.

"This is what makes your country great, the open society where people can criticize their own government," Mr. Sitov said.

The researchers, using an grant provided by a research group once affiliated with the Central Intelligence Agency, have complied a database of hundreds of articles that it is being used to train a computer to recognize, rank and interpret statements.

The software would need to be able to distinguish between statements like "this spaghetti is good" and "this spaghetti is not very good-- it's excellent," said Claire T. Cardie, a professor of computer science at Cornell.

Professor Cardie ranked the second statement as a more intense positive opinion than the first.

The articles in the database include work from many American newspapers and news wire services, including The Miami Herald and The New York Times, as well as foreign sources like Agence France-Presse and The Dawn, a newspaper in Pakistan.

One article discusses how a rabid fox bit a grazing cow in Romania, hardly a threat to the United States. Another item, an editorial in response to Mr. Bush's use in 2002 of "axis of evil" to describe Iraq, Iran and North Korea, said: "The U.S. is the first nation to have developed nuclear weapons. Moreover, the U.S. is the first and only nation ever to deploy such weapons."

The approach, called natural language processing, has been under development for decades. It is widely used to summarize basic facts in a text or to create abridged versions of articles.

But interpreting and rating expressions of opinion, without making too many errors, has been much more challenging, said Professor Cardie and Janyce M. Wiebe, an associate professor of computer science at the University of Pittsburgh. Their system would include a confidence rating for each "opinion" that it evaluates and would allow an official to refer quickly to the actual text that the computer indicates contains an intense anti-American statement.

Ultimately, the government could in a semiautomated way track a statement by specific individuals abroad or track reports by particular foreign news outlets or journalists, rating comments about American policies or officials.

Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, said the effort recalled the aborted 2002 push by a Defense Department agency to develop a tracking system called Total Information Awareness that was intended to detect terrorists by analyzing troves of information.

"That is really chilling," Mr. Rotenberg said. "And it seems far afield from the mission of homeland security."

Federal law prohibits the Homeland Security Department or other intelligence agencies from building such a database on American citizens, and no effort would be made to do that, a spokesman for the department, Christopher Kelly, said. But there would be no such restrictions on using foreign news media, Mr. Kelly said.

Mr. Kielman, the project coordinator, said questions on using the software were premature because the department was just now financing the basic research necessary to set up an operating system.

Professors Cardie and Wiebe said they understood that there were legitimate questions about the ultimate use of their software.

"There has to be guidelines and restrictions on the use of this kind of technology by the government," Professor Wiebe said. "But it doesn't mean it is not useful. It can just as easily help the government understand what is going on in places around the world."

If successfully developed, such a program would analyze already published foreign source material to perform a "sentiment analysis" intended to identify potential threats to the nation. Let's suppose it would also be subsequently used to do such analysis of already published domestic source material.

Are you afraid that such analysis could be permitted as evidence in a trial to convict alleged potential perpetrators of merely contemplating a crime they have yet to commit?

If so, why are you afraid that will happen?

Are you afraid that such contemplation would be legislated to be a crime?

If so, why are you afraid that will happen?

Or are you afraid that such analysis would be used to identify alleged potential perpetrators contemplating a crime they have yet to commit, in order to aid preventing the crime from being successfully committed?

If so, why are you afraid of that happening?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 21 Oct, 2006 08:41 pm
McTag wrote:

...
What price "They hate our freedoms" now? There, potentially, goes another one.

Orwellian is right.

What freedom do you anticipate we will lose, if this "sentiment analysis" program is actually successfully put to work?

Who are the "they" you think hate our freedoms now?
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