THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

xingu wrote:

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ican
All I'm asking for is an honest investigation. You won't get that with the Republicans in control of Congress.

I didn't say anything about impeachment.

Ah, so Republicans are dishonest and Democrats are honest!

How do you tell?

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With the Republicans in power you will not get an investigation into the lies and misinformation the Bush administration put out. The Republicans will try to protect Bush. We need a Democrat version of Ken Starr.

Not surprisingly, conservative ideology drove the reconstruction fiasco. Seeking to display his authority, Viceroy Paul Bremer ignored expert advice and disbanded the Iraqi army and purged the Iraqi ministries of experienced leadership. That provided the Sunni insurgency with hundreds of thousands of experienced and angry recruits, with guns. He pushed for privatization of Iraqi industries, for the elimination of fuel and food supports in a country with 50 percent unemployment. Private investment, not public enterprise, would rebuild Iraq.

And of course everything Bush said about why we should invade Iraq was true, right?

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We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.
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Tonight we are a country awakened to danger. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.
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Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;
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The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq.

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Members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
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It is said that prior to the attacks of September the 11th, our government failed to connect the dots of the conspiracy. We now know that two of the hijackers in the United States placed telephone calls to al Qaeda operatives overseas. But we did not know about their plans until it was too late. So to prevent another attack -- based on authority given to me by the Constitution and by statute -- I have authorized a terrorist surveillance program to aggressively pursue the international communications of suspected al Qaeda operatives and affiliates to and from America. Previous Presidents have used the same constitutional authority I have, and federal courts have approved the use of that authority. Appropriate members of Congress have been kept informed. The terrorist surveillance program has helped prevent terrorist attacks. It remains essential to the security of America. If there are people inside our country who are talking with al Qaeda, we want to know about it, because we will not sit back and wait to be hit again.
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Based on the hysterical pseudology produced by the Democrats in their speeches and interviews since November 2000, and subsequently refuted by reality

Here's a summary of all the crap that's happening in Iraq and why we need a special prosecutor to investigate this administration.
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Based on the hysterical pseudology produced by the Democrats in their speeches and interviews since November 2000, and subsequently refuted by reality, Democrats are crazy.

Three retired senior military officers yesterday accused Mr Rumsfeld of bungling the war on Iraq, and said the Pentagon was "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically". Major General Paul Eaton, a retired officer who was in charge of training Iraq troops, said: "Mr Rumsfeld and his immediate team must be replaced or we will see two more years of extraordinarily bad decision-making."

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Except, the invasion of Iraq hasn't stopped the growth of AQ. Not at all. In fact, if anything, it has added to their numbers and provided them with legitimacy that they didn't have before.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

Cycloptichorn

I agree with this assessment. I disagree that the situation would be better had we not invaded Iraq.
I think that to improve the situation in Iraq, Bush must order the State Department to determine how to secure a democracy in a nut house. I guess the execution of that order will require Congress's concurrence. Regardless, the problem must be solved.

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Except, the invasion of Iraq hasn't stopped the growth of AQ. Not at all. In fact, if anything, it has added to their numbers and provided them with legitimacy that they didn't have before.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

Cycloptichorn

I agree with this assessment. I disagree that the situation would be better had we not invaded Iraq.
I think that to improve the situation in Iraq, Bush must order the State Department to determine how to secure a democracy in a nut house. I guess the execution of that order will require Congress's concurrence. Regardless, the problem must be solved.

What is it with you guys? It just does not matter what level of knowledge and expertise, or what level of consensus of such voices arises, your fealty to this incompetent president/administration trumps all else. An NIE report reveals the intelligence community's conclusion that attacking Iraq has made the situation worse, but your faith in Bush's decision (not to mention his competency and his honesty) is unchanged. That's delusional. You've exchanged your miind and your balls for the comfort of faith in authority. It's not a pretty sight.

One imagines a herd of sheep, running straight ahead, resolutely, eye-brows furrowed, self-righteous and angrily chanting in unison, "We Are All Independent-minded Patriots ...We Are All Independent-minded Patriots"

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Except, the invasion of Iraq hasn't stopped the growth of AQ. Not at all. In fact, if anything, it has added to their numbers and provided them with legitimacy that they didn't have before.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

Cycloptichorn

I agree with this assessment. I disagree that the situation would be better had we not invaded Iraq.
I think that to improve the situation in Iraq, Bush must order the State Department to determine how to secure a democracy in a nut house. I guess the execution of that order will require Congress's concurrence. Regardless, the problem must be solved.

What is it with you guys? It just does not matter what level of knowledge and expertise, or what level of consensus of such voices arises, your fealty to this incompetent president/administration trumps all else. An NIE report reveals the intelligence community's conclusion that attacking Iraq has made the situation worse, but your faith in Bush's decision (not to mention his competency and his honesty) is unchanged. That's delusional. You've exchanged your miind and your balls for the comfort of faith in authority. It's not a pretty sight.

One imagines a herd of sheep, running straight ahead, resolutely, eye-brows furrowed, self-righteous and angrily chanting in unison, "We Are All Independent-minded Patriots ...We Are All Independent-minded Patriots"

blatham wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Except, the invasion of Iraq hasn't stopped the growth of AQ. Not at all. In fact, if anything, it has added to their numbers and provided them with legitimacy that they didn't have before.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

Cycloptichorn

I agree with this assessment. I disagree that the situation would be better had we not invaded Iraq.
I think that to improve the situation in Iraq, Bush must order the State Department to determine how to secure a democracy in a nut house. I guess the execution of that order will require Congress's concurrence. Regardless, the problem must be solved.

What is it with you guys? It just does not matter what level of knowledge and expertise, or what level of consensus of such voices arises, your fealty to this incompetent president/administration trumps all else. An NIE report reveals the intelligence community's conclusion that attacking Iraq has made the situation worse, but your faith in Bush's decision (not to mention his competency and his honesty) is unchanged. That's delusional. You've exchanged your miind and your balls for the comfort of faith in authority. It's not a pretty sight.

One imagines a herd of sheep, running straight ahead, resolutely, eye-brows furrowed, self-righteous and angrily chanting in unison, "We Are All Independent-minded Patriots ...We Are All Independent-minded Patriots"

So we are all agreeing then the National Intelligence Estimate is pretty much the top dog? That the NIE is an honest portrayal of current sutuations and that we should trust it's estimates?

McGentrix wrote:

blatham wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Except, the invasion of Iraq hasn't stopped the growth of AQ. Not at all. In fact, if anything, it has added to their numbers and provided them with legitimacy that they didn't have before.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

Cycloptichorn

I agree with this assessment. I disagree that the situation would be better had we not invaded Iraq.
I think that to improve the situation in Iraq, Bush must order the State Department to determine how to secure a democracy in a nut house. I guess the execution of that order will require Congress's concurrence. Regardless, the problem must be solved.

What is it with you guys? It just does not matter what level of knowledge and expertise, or what level of consensus of such voices arises, your fealty to this incompetent president/administration trumps all else. An NIE report reveals the intelligence community's conclusion that attacking Iraq has made the situation worse, but your faith in Bush's decision (not to mention his competency and his honesty) is unchanged. That's delusional. You've exchanged your miind and your balls for the comfort of faith in authority. It's not a pretty sight.

One imagines a herd of sheep, running straight ahead, resolutely, eye-brows furrowed, self-righteous and angrily chanting in unison, "We Are All Independent-minded Patriots ...We Are All Independent-minded Patriots"

So we are all agreeing then the National Intelligence Estimate is pretty much the top dog? That the NIE is an honest portrayal of current sutuations and that we should trust it's estimates?

Their track record sure beats the neoconservative on the matter.

blatham wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Except, the invasion of Iraq hasn't stopped the growth of AQ. Not at all. In fact, if anything, it has added to their numbers and provided them with legitimacy that they didn't have before.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

Cycloptichorn

I agree with this assessment. I disagree that the situation would be better had we not invaded Iraq.
I think that to improve the situation in Iraq, Bush must order the State Department to determine how to secure a democracy in a nut house. I guess the execution of that order will require Congress's concurrence. Regardless, the problem must be solved.

What is it with you guys? It just does not matter what level of knowledge and expertise, or what level of consensus of such voices arises, your fealty to this incompetent president/administration trumps all else. An NIE report reveals the intelligence community's conclusion that attacking Iraq has made the situation worse, but your faith in Bush's decision (not to mention his competency and his honesty) is unchanged. That's delusional. You've exchanged your miind and your balls for the comfort of faith in authority. It's not a pretty sight.

One imagines a herd of sheep, running straight ahead, resolutely, eye-brows furrowed, self-righteous and angrily chanting in unison, "We Are All Independent-minded Patriots ...We Are All Independent-minded Patriots"

So we are all agreeing then the National Intelligence Estimate is pretty much the top dog? That the NIE is an honest portrayal of current sutuations and that we should trust it's estimates?

McGentrix wrote:

blatham wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Except, the invasion of Iraq hasn't stopped the growth of AQ. Not at all. In fact, if anything, it has added to their numbers and provided them with legitimacy that they didn't have before.

Do you disagree with this assessment?

Cycloptichorn

I agree with this assessment. I disagree that the situation would be better had we not invaded Iraq.
I think that to improve the situation in Iraq, Bush must order the State Department to determine how to secure a democracy in a nut house. I guess the execution of that order will require Congress's concurrence. Regardless, the problem must be solved.

What is it with you guys? It just does not matter what level of knowledge and expertise, or what level of consensus of such voices arises, your fealty to this incompetent president/administration trumps all else. An NIE report reveals the intelligence community's conclusion that attacking Iraq has made the situation worse, but your faith in Bush's decision (not to mention his competency and his honesty) is unchanged. That's delusional. You've exchanged your miind and your balls for the comfort of faith in authority. It's not a pretty sight.

One imagines a herd of sheep, running straight ahead, resolutely, eye-brows furrowed, self-righteous and angrily chanting in unison, "We Are All Independent-minded Patriots ...We Are All Independent-minded Patriots"

So we are all agreeing then the National Intelligence Estimate is pretty much the top dog? That the NIE is an honest portrayal of current sutuations and that we should trust it's estimates?

You got it. If it's not than what is?