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I don't have any evidence that he is alive, but as he was known to be alive, and no evidence has been provided that he is dead, there is no reason to believe that he is in fact dead, and certainly no reason to make affirmative assertions that he is dead.

You've been reading too much by that traitor Ledeen. Plus, you seem to be, I don't know, a little out in left field these days, what with your obsession about Soros...

Cycloptichorn

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ican711nm wrote:

Osama is cold stone dead rotting in the ground.

Clinton's and Bush's failure's to get Osama was eventually corrected by nature: that is, by Osama's kidney failure.

The sound of an ass braying in the wilderness .

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Armies have been mobilised, phones tapped, huge rewards offered - yet Osama bin Laden is still at liberty. Does anyone even have the faintest idea where he is?

The hunt

Don't know Walt .... but I can tell you where he aint .... he aint in Baghdad that's fer sure.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't have any evidence that he is alive, but as he was known to be alive, and no evidence has been provided that he is dead, there is no reason to believe that he is in fact dead, and certainly no reason to make affirmative assertions that he is dead.

Osama, once alive, is now dead. No evidence has been provided that he is still alive, there is no reason to believe that he is in fact still alive, and certainly no reason to make affirmative assertions that he is still alive.

You've been reading too much by that traitor Ledeen. Plus, you seem to be, I don't know, a little out in left field these days, what with your obsession about Soros...

What did Ledeen say about Osama being dead or alive?

Soros has written a book and published articles, and has contributed millions to multiple PACs, and radio stations, all of which preach the current dogma of the Democratic party. That dogma contains the same repetitious pseudology against President Bush, against our war in Iraq, and against the Republican Party. So, I think it reasonable to infer that Soros and his wealth is a major leader if not the dictator of the Democratic Party.

I think the only reason he is not running for president is because the Constitution says in Article II. Section 1.: "No person except a natural born Citizen ... shall be eligible to the Office of President ...

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't have any evidence that he is alive, but as he was known to be alive, and no evidence has been provided that he is dead, there is no reason to believe that he is in fact dead, and certainly no reason to make affirmative assertions that he is dead.

You've been reading too much by that traitor Ledeen. Plus, you seem to be, I don't know, a little out in left field these days, what with your obsession about Soros...

Cycloptichorn

These days, cyclop? Smile

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Secret Report Reveals 'Dim' Prospects in Key Iraq Province
Ricks in 'Wash Post': Secret Report Reveals 'Dim' Prospects in Key Iraq Province
By E&P Staff
Published: September 11, 2006
The full article is posted at www.washingtonpost.com.

The chief of intelligence for the Marine Corps in Iraq recently filed a secret report "concluding that the prospects for securing that country's western Anbar province are dim and that there is almost nothing the U.S. military can do to improve the political and social situation there, said several military officers and intelligence officials familiar with its contents," according to a front-page article in today's Washington Post by Thomas Ricks.

The Post, Ricks added, was not shown a copy of the classified document. But he related that "officials described Col. Pete Devlin's classified assessment of the dire state of Anbar as the first time that a senior U.S. military officer has filed so negative a report from Iraq."

One Army officer summarized it as arguing that in Anbar province, "We haven't been defeated militarily but we have been defeated politically -- and that's where wars are won and lost."

The statement was dated Aug. 16 and sent to Washington, where it has been widely discussed within national security circles and at the Pentagon. "I don't know if it is a shock wave, but it's made people uncomfortable," a Defense Department official who has read the report told Ricks.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

...you seem to be, I don't know, a little out in left field these days, what with your obsession about Soros...
Cycloptichorn

"a little out in left field" Exclamation

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OK, parados, an update of Iraq violent non-combatant deaths! Until and unless IBC subsequently shows otherwise, I'll go with your "max" numbers for January thru May . For June and July, I will add your larger morgue estimates to your present numbers. For August I'll use my estimates.

January 06 .. = 1267
Feb 06 ........ = 1287
March 06 ..... = 1538
April 06 ....... = 1287
May 06 ........ = 1814
01/01/06 – 05/31/06 = 7193; Total since January 1st 03 = 44,052
June 06 ....... = 904 + 750 = 1654; Total since January 1st 03 = 45,706
July 06 ........ = 1133 + 900 = 2033; Total since January 1st 03 = 47,739
August 06 .... = 885 + 800 = 1685; estimated Total since January 1st 03 = 49,424

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I don't have any evidence that he is alive, but as he was known to be alive, and no evidence has been provided that he is dead, there is no reason to believe that he is in fact dead, and certainly no reason to make affirmative assertions that he is dead.

Cycloptichorn

So, let me get this straight. He was alive, right? We have had forces from many nations united in the cause of finding him, right? He hasn't shown up on any recent videos though and no one has seen him in some time now though, but their is no evidence to support that he is dead right?

Based on these assumptions, you believe he is alive, correct?

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So, let me get this straight. He was alive, right? We have had forces from many nations united in the cause of finding him, right? Their is no evidence to support that he is dead right?

Based on these assumptions, you believe he is alive, correct?

Based on the assumption that he once was alive (it seems to be the case, anyways), barring credible evidence that he was killed, or died from natural causes, there is no evidence to support an affirmative assertion that he is dead.

I don't know whether he is alive or dead, but I haven't seen any evidence that he is dead, so...

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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So, let me get this straight. He was alive, right? We have had forces from many nations united in the cause of finding him, right? Their is no evidence to support that he is dead right?

Based on these assumptions, you believe he is alive, correct?

Based on the assumption that he once was alive (it seems to be the case, anyways), barring credible evidence that he was killed, or died from natural causes, there is no evidence to support an affirmative assertion that he is dead.

I don't know whether he is alive or dead, but I haven't seen any evidence that he is dead, so...

Cycloptichorn

Ok, so Saddam had WMD's, there was no credible evidence that he had destroyed them all and the programs to develop them, there is no evidence to support an affirmative assertation that he did not still have huge stockpiles before the war. To the contrary, all the evidence pointed to the fact that he did indeed still have huge stockpiles of WMD's.

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To the contrary, all the evidence pointed to the fact that he did indeed still have huge stockpiles of WMD's.

Yeah, no. ALL the evidence did not say this; there was a large amount of evidence that said exactly the opposite.

Nice try tho

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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To the contrary, all the evidence pointed to the fact that he did indeed still have huge stockpiles of WMD's.

Yeah, no. ALL the evidence did not say this; there was a large amount of evidence that said exactly the opposite.

Nice try tho

Cycloptichorn

Ok, a preponderance, a majority, a lot, much, enough...

Nice try? I wasn't trying anything. I used your words to prove a long-standing point that the liberals don't seem to grasp.

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That's because it isn't a valid point.

Cycloptichorn

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It's a bit difficult to apply the term "evidence" for, say, a forest fire when there hasn't been a forest fire, or "evidence" for a theft when there hasn't been a theft or for a nuke or chemical weapons program when they didn't exist.

Perhaps "belief", "supposition", "misleading information", etc might be more appropriate.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

That's because it isn't a valid point.

Cycloptichorn

The USA concluded that Saddam did not possess ready-to-use WMD after the USA's invasion of Iraq March 20, 2003, because no ready-to-use WMD were subsequently found after that date-- only some parts and ingredients were ever found after that date.

We infer that Osama bin Laden no longer is alive because he has not acted alive for more than a year. Smile

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No, you are making a false inferrence, because OBL could be acting alive just fine in hiding somewhere.

You guys need to sharpen your rhetoric

Cycloptichorn

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ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
That's because it isn't a valid point.

Cycloptichorn

The USA concluded that Saddam did not possess ready-to-use WMD after the USA's invasion of Iraq March 20, 2003, because no ready-to-use WMD were subsequently found after that date-- only some parts and ingredients were ever found after that date.

We infer that Osama bin Laden no longer is alive because he has not acted alive for more than a year.

I haven't heard from an old friend from University in a while. He is apparently acting "not alive". I suppose I shall infer that he is dead.

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blatham wrote:

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Perhaps "belief", "supposition", "misleading information", etc might be more appropriate.

Absence of evidence of the truth of X is not evidence of the falsity of X. (with apologies to Albert Einstein for my paraphrase of his famous statement)

Let X = Osama is dead!

or

Let X = Osama is alive!

But then, there is evidence that Albert Einstein is dead. Confused

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, you are making a false inferrence, because OBL could be acting alive just fine in hiding somewhere.
... Cycloptichorn

OBL could be acting dead just fine in hiding somewhere.

I say OBL is dead. You say OBL is alive.

Truth is neither you or I knows for sure.

OBL could be dead.

OBL could be alive.

Ain't this fun!

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