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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ, TENTH THREAD.

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 11:48 am
Amigo wrote:

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ican711nm wrote:

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Can you name a different company than Halliburton that you prefer for doing the work Halliburton was asked to do? If so, why do you prefer them?

War profiteering is illegal and so is conflict of interest. All the information about Cheney, Halliburton and the war are at your finger tips. If you don't want to know the truth there is no way your going to listen to me.
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I do want to know the truth. By the way you dodged my question, it appears to me that it is you who doesn't want to know the truth.

Yes war profiteering is illegal. Who do you think is guilty of that and why do you think that?

Some conflicts of interest are illegal and some are not. What specific conflict of interest do you think exists? Why do you think so?

What does that information that is "all the information about Cheney, Halliburton and the war are at your finger tips" lead you to conclude? Why does it lead you to conclude that?
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 03:21 pm
Thank you McTag.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 05:58 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Amigo wrote:

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ican711nm wrote:

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Can you name a different company than Halliburton that you prefer for doing the work Halliburton was asked to do? If so, why do you prefer them?

War profiteering is illegal and so is conflict of interest. All the information about Cheney, Halliburton and the war are at your finger tips. If you don't want to know the truth there is no way your going to listen to me.
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I do want to know the truth. By the way you dodged my question, it appears to me that it is you who doesn't want to know the truth.

Yes war profiteering is illegal. Who do you think is guilty of that and why do you think that?

Some conflicts of interest are illegal and some are not. What specific conflict of interest do you think exists? Why do you think so?

What does that information that is "all the information about Cheney, Halliburton and the war are at your finger tips" lead you to conclude? Why does it lead you to conclude that?
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Rep. Henry A. Waxman Ranking Minority Member
Committee on Government Reform U.S. House of Representatives
December 9, 2004

Fact Sheet
Halliburton's Iraq Contracts Now Worth over $10 Billion

The value of Halliburton's Iraq contracts has crossed the $10 billion threshold. Halliburton has now received $8.3 billion in Iraq work under its LOGCAP troop support contract and $2.5 billion under its no-bid Restore Iraqi Oil (RIO) contract, a total of $10.8 billion.

The mounting value of the contracts has been accompanied by a growing list of concerns about Halliburton's performance. Over the last year, government auditors have issued at least nine reports criticizing Halliburton's Iraq work, and there are multiple criminal investigations into overcharging and kickbacks involving Halliburton's contracts. Former Halliburton employees have testified before Congress about egregious instances of over billing. Despite these concerns, the Bush Administration continues to reject the recommendations of its auditors that 15% of Halliburton's LOGCAP reimbursements be withheld until the company can provide better substantiation for its charges.

Value of the Contracts

Halliburton has several major contracts in Iraq. The largest, called the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP), is a cost-plus contract to provide support services to the troops. As of December 2, 2004, the value of Halliburton's Iraq task orders under LOGCAP was $8.26 billion. (1)

The second largest Halliburton contract is the cost-plus RIO contract to restore and operate Iraq's oil infrastructure, which Halliburton was awarded on a no-bid basis in March 2003. The value of the work Halliburton performed under this contract is $2.51 billion. (2)

The combined value of these two contracts is $10.77 billion. This is significantly more than any other contractor has been awarded in Iraq. For example, the maximum value of Bechtel's Iraq infrastructure contracts is $2.8 billion. Halliburton will reap profits of between $133 million and $424 million on its two contracts. (3)

The actual value of Halliburton's Iraq contracts is likely higher than $10.77 billion. In January 2004, Halliburton received a follow-on oil contract for southern Iraq worth up to $1.2 billion. The Administration has not disclosed the value of the work given to Halliburton under this contract.

Investigations and Audits

At the same time that the value of Halliburton's contracts is increasing, auditors are finding extensive problems with Halliburton's billings, and criminal investigations of Halliburton and its employees continue.

Auditors from the Defense Contract Audit Agency (DCAA), the Government Accountability Office (GAO), and the Coalition Provisional Authority Inspector General (CPA IG) have repeatedly and consistently criticized multiple aspects of Halliburton's activities in Iraq. In nine different reports, these government auditors have found widespread, systemic problems with almost every aspect of Halliburton's work in Iraq, from cost estimation and billing systems to cost control and subcontract management.

Key findings from these audits include the following:

In December 2003, a DCAA draft audit reported that Halliburton overcharged the Defense Department by $61 million to import gasoline into Iraq from Kuwait through September 30, 2003. (4)
On December 31, 2003, a DCAA "Flash Report" audit found "significant" and "systemic" deficiencies in the way Halliburton estimates and validates costs. According to the DCAA audit, Halliburton repeatedly violated the Federal Acquisition Regulation and submitted a $2.7 billion proposal that "did not contain current, accurate, and complete data regarding subcontract costs." (5)
On January 13, 2004, DCAA concluded that Halliburton's deficiencies "bring into question [Halliburton's] ability to consistently produce well-supported proposals that are acceptable as a basis for negotiation of fair and reasonable prices," and it urged the Corps of Engineers to "contact us to ascertain the status of [Halliburton's] estimating system prior to entering into future negotiations." (6)
In a May 13, 2004, audit, DCAA reported "several deficiencies" in Halliburton's billing system that resulted in billings to the government that "are not prepared in accordance with applicable laws and regulations and contract terms." DCAA also found "system deficiencies resulting in material invoicing misstatements that are not prevented, detected and/ or corrected in a timely manner." The report emphasized Halliburton's inadequate controls over subcontract billings. The auditors "identified inadequate or nonexistent policies and procedures for notifying the government of potential significant subcontract problems that impact delivery, quality, and price" and determined that Halliburton "does not monitor the ongoing physical progress of subcontracts or the related costs and billings." (7)
On June 25, 2004, the CPA IG found that, as a result of poor oversight, Halliburton charged U. S. taxpayers for unauthorized and unnecessary expenses at the Kuwait Hilton Hotel. According to the IG, the overcharges would have amounted to $3.6 million per year. (8)
A July 26, 2004, CPA IG audit report found that Halliburton "did not effectively manage government property" and that the company's property records "were not sufficiently accurate or available to properly account for CPA property items." The IG "projected that property valued at more than $18.6 million was not accurately accounted for or was missing." (9)
In July 2004, GAO found ineffective planning, inadequate cost control, and insufficient training of contract management officials under LOGCAP in Iraq. GAO reported that, when Halliburton acted as a middleman for the operation of dining halls, costs were over 40% higher. (10)
In an August 16, 2004, memorandum, DCAA "identified significant unsupported costs" submitted by KBR, a Halliburton subsidiary, and found "numerous, systemic issues . . . with KBR's estimates." According to DCAA, "while contingency issues may have had an impact during the earlier stages of the procurements, clearly, the contractor should have adequate supporting data by now." When DCAA examined seven LOGCAP task orders with a combined proposed value of $4.33 billion, auditors identified unsupported costs totaling $1.82 billion. (11)
On November 23, 2004, the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (formerly the CPA IG) examined a $569 million LOGCAP task order and found that Halliburton "did not provide . . . sufficiently detailed cost data to evaluate overall project costs or to determine whether specific costs for services performed were reasonable." The IG concluded that the Army "did not receive sufficient or reliable cost information to effectively manage" the task order. (12) Multiple criminal investigations of Halliburton's Iraq contracts are also ongoing. The Justice Department is investigating Halliburton's admission that two of its employees received up to $6.3 million in kickbacks to steer LOGCAP subcontracts to a Kuwaiti contractor. (13) The Defense Department Inspector General, the FBI, and the Justice Department are investigating allegations of fraud and overcharging for gasoline under the RIO contract. (14)
Disclosures by Former Employees and Independent Experts

The concerns expressed by government auditors have been corroborated by the testimony of former Halliburton employees. Over the past year, six former employees came forward publicly to provide Congress with information about egregious overcharges by Halliburton. Others have contacted congressional staff privately to echo these concerns. For example:

Marie deYoung, a Halliburton logistics specialist, testified about subcontracts under which Halliburton paid $45 per case of soda and $100 per 15-pound bag of laundry. Ms. deYoung also disclosed that Halliburton did not comply with the Army's request to move Halliburton employees from a five-star hotel in Kuwait, where it cost taxpayers approximately $10,000 per day to house the employees, into air-conditioned tent facilities, which would have cost taxpayers under $600 per day. (15)
Henry Bunting, a Halliburton procurement officer, described how he and other buyers were instructed to split large purchase orders into multiple purchase orders below $2,500 in order to avoid the requirement to solicit multiple bids. Supervisors routinely told the employees responsible for purchasing: "Don't worry about price. It's cost-plus." (16)
David Wilson, a convoy commander for Halliburton, and James Warren, a Halliburton truck driver, testified that brand new $85,000 Halliburton trucks were abandoned or "torched" if they got a flat tire or experienced minor mechanical problems. Mr. Warren brought these and other concerns to the personal attention of Randy Harl, the president and CEO of KBR. He was fired a few weeks later. (17)
Mike West, a Halliburton labor foreman, described how he and other Halliburton employees spent weeks in Iraq with virtually nothing to do, but were instructed to bill 12-hour days for 7 days a week on their timesheets. In addition, his superior directed him to buy unnecessary equipment, telling him: "Don't worry about it. It's a cost-plus-plus contract." (18)
Similarly, independent experts have criticized Halliburton's inflated gasoline prices under the RIO contract. Phil Verleger, a California oil economist and the president of a consulting firm, said of Halliburton's price: "It's as if they put the gasoline on the Queen Mary and take it around the globe before they deliver it." (19) Jeffrey Jones, until recently the Director of the Defense Energy Support Center, stated: "I can't construct a price that high." (20) Another expert, who asked that his identity not be disclosed, characterized Halliburton's prices as "highway robbery."

Failure To Withhold Funds

Reflecting the growing problems with Halliburton's Iraq contracts, government auditors have recommended that the Army begin to withhold partial payment to Halliburton under LOGCAP as required by the Federal Acquisition Regulation. On August 16, 2004, DCAA strongly encouraged the Army to begin withholding 15% of Halliburton's reimbursements, stating, "It is clear to us KBR will not provide an adequate proposal until there is a consequence." (21) On November 23, the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction supported this recommendation with respect to the $569 million LOGCAP task order it attempted to audit. (22)

Instead of following the advice of these independent auditors, the Army has refused to withhold payments for the last eight months. To the contrary, the Army has given Halliburton multiple extensions to provide the adequate cost estimates and supporting data needed to finalize the terms of the contract.



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Notes
(1) U. S. Army Field Support Command, Media Spreadsheet for AFSC LOGCAP (Dec. 2, 2004).
(2) U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, Frequently Asked Questions: Engineer Support to Operation Iraqi Freedom (Oct. 7, 2004).
(3) Under Halliburton's cost-plus contracts, the government reimburses the company for its actual costs and then pays an additional fee. For LOGCAP, Halliburton receives a base fee of 1% of its costs and an additional award fee of up to 2%. This yields a profit range of $83 million to $248 million. For RIO, Halliburton's base fee is 2% of its costs and its additional award fee is up to 5%. This yields a profit range of $50 million to $176 million.
(4) Department of Defense, DOD News Briefing (Dec. 11, 2003). The minority staff of the House Government Reform Committee later determined that the total overpayment to Halliburton through April 1, 2004, was $167 million. See Minority Staff, Committee on Government Reform, Halliburton's Gasoline Overcharges (July 21, 2004).
(5) Defense Contract Audit Agency, Audit Report No. 3311-2004K24020001 (Dec. 31, 2003).
(6) Defense Contract Audit Agency, Status of Brown & Root Services (BRS) Estimating System Internal Controls (Jan. 13, 2004).
(7) Defense Contract Audit Agency, Audit Report No. 3311-2002K11010001 (May 13, 2004).
(8) Coalition Provisional Authority Inspector General, Federal Deployment Center Forward Operations at the Kuwait Hilton (June 25, 2004).
(9) Coalition Provisional Authority Inspector General, Audit of the Accountability and Control of Material Assets of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad (July 26, 2004).
(10) Government Accountability Office, DOD's Extensive Use of Logistics Support Contracts Requires Strengthened Oversight (July 2004).
(11) Memorandum from Defense Contract Audit Agency to U. S. Army Field Support Command (Aug. 16, 2004).
(12) Memorandum from Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, Task Order 0044 of the Logistics Civilian Augmentation Program III Contract (Nov. 23, 2004).
(13) House Committee on Government Reform, Hearings on Unprecedented Challenges: Contracting and the Rebuilding of Iraq (June 15, 2004).
(14) Letter from John R. Crane, Assistant Inspector General, Department of Defense, to Rep. Henry A. Waxman (June 30, 2004); FBI Investigating Contracts with Halliburton, New York Times (Oct. 29, 2004).
(15) House Committee on Government Reform, Hearings on Contracting and the Rebuilding of Iraq: Part IV, 108th Cong. (July 22, 2004).
(16) Senate Democratic Policy Committee, Hearings on Iraq Contracting Abuses (Feb. 13, 2004).
(17) House Committee on Government Reform, supra note 15.
(18) Statement of Mike West (June 6, 2004).
(19) The High Price of Gasoline for Iraq, NBC News (Nov. 5, 2003).
(20) Army Eyes Halliburton Import Role in Iraq, Associated Press (Nov. 5, 2003).
(21) Defense Contract Audit Agency memorandum, supra note 11.
(22) Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction memorandum, supra note 12.



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This table describes, to the penny, the profits reaped by Halliburton under the LOGCAP contracts for Operation Enduring Freedom, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and other unnamed expenditures. The number at the bottom reads $9,073,560,035...that is 'billion' with a
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 06:16 pm
Amigo wrote:

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ican711nm wrote:

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Can you name a different company than Halliburton that you prefer for doing the work Halliburton was asked to do? If so, why do you prefer them?

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Quote:

Rep. Henry A. Waxman Ranking Minority Member
Committee on Government Reform U.S. House of Representatives
December 9, 2004

Fact Sheet
Halliburton's Iraq Contracts Now Worth over $10 Billion
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This table describes, to the penny, the profits reaped by Halliburton under the LOGCAP contracts for Operation Enduring Freedom, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and other unnamed expenditures. The number at the bottom reads $9,073,560,035...

Assuming Waxman's report is true, and there is no acceptably valid reason for why Halliburton has done these things, this must be corrected quickly.

That brings me back to my original question.
ican711nm wrote:

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Can you name a different company than Halliburton that you prefer for doing the work Halliburton was asked to do? If so, why do you prefer them?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 06:34 pm
Did you read the sources at the bottom?

They were no bid contracts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is old news. Your not doing you country any favors supporting these guys. There not Republican Conservatives or Americans.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 06:40 pm
The Telegraph also reported, "The US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban's policies against women and children "despicable", appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract." In a paper prepared by Neamatollah Nojumi, at the Tufts University Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, Nojumi wrote in August 1997 that Madeline Albright sat in a "full-dress CIA briefing" on the Caspian region. CIA agents then accompanied "some well-trained petroleum engineers" to the region. Albright concluded that shaping the region's policies was "one of the most exciting things that we can do."
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 07:29 pm
Yes, the first thing I noticed is the date of Waxman's report, December 9, 2004, and the dates of its sources. They are all pre-2005, and some even pre-2004. Then you post another old reference, real old reference, Nojumi wrote in August 1997 ... We didn't invade Afghanistan until October 20, 2001.

The additional question I have, is what has been done since these facts were discovered? You have not supplied any reference about that. With regard to Nojumi ... we have at the very least since changed administrations.

If these problems are provably still existent, why hasn't the hate-Bush crowd brought that up and supplied evidence to support that claim?

As for competitive bidding on what Halliburton has been asked to do, who else could better do the job that we needed doing.

Again, I ask:
Can you name a different company than Halliburton that you prefer for doing the work Halliburton was asked to do? If so, why do you prefer them?

By the way, 10 billion gross is not 10 billion profits. Whether or not employees can perform adequately under Saddamist&al-Qaeda terrorism and threats of terrorism, they still have to be paid and reimbursed for their expenses!

You're not doing your country any favors joining the LIEbrals attacking these guys, if you don't know whether these problems have been corrected.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 07:56 pm
Do you want to put the liberals lies up against the Conservative lies?

I have not bothered to look up what contractors could have done Those contracts. but I know alot of contractors where locked out of the meetings where the bidding was done. one one contractor bid and only one was there. Haliburton.

I'm not really a liberal.

But I can see I'm wasting my time. No matter what these guys do, You don't care.

You will have an excuse for them for everything. Think about that.
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 08:41 pm
Yes, Friend.
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 08:42 pm
We think about excuses for everything.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 08:58 pm
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:44 pm
Amigo wrote:
Do you want to put the liberals lies up against the Conservative lies?

I have not bothered to look up what contractors could have done Those contracts. but I know alot of contractors where locked out of the meetings where the bidding was done. one one contractor bid and only one was there. Haliburton.

I'm not really a liberal.

But I can see I'm wasting my time. No matter what these guys do, You don't care.

You will have an excuse for them for everything. Think about that.


I'm not really a conservative, a Republican, an undecided, a moderate, a Democrat, or a liberal. Nor am I a Bush lover or hater. Politically, I passionately favor a government which establishes the same rules for everyone and successfully secures everyone's liberty to participate in a free and competitive market of ideas, work, accomplishments, services, products, commodities, and recreations. Also I root for everyone to excel not just those who have accomplished less than I.

I think the Halliburton Contract is an unbid, cost plus contract awarded to Halliburton, because it was determined that no one else besides Halliburton possessed the capabilities to do the job requested. If Halliburton has actually been discovered to have padded their cost accounting, that is easy to fix. Halliburton either doesn't get paid for those padded costs or it is compelled to refund payments it is not entitled to.

I have witnessed corruption in both government and private business, as well as among accusers of corruption in either or both. The trick is to catch it wherever it exists in a timely manner and rectify it in a timely manner. I do not close my eyes to it whereever found. But I also know it is just plain stupid to stereotype all government, all business, all accusers or even all politicians to be corrupt. So I look first for credible evidence that alleged corruption either exists or existed, but has been or is being rectified, before I draw any conclusions about what corrective action is required.

Long ago I gave up the fantasy that I knew how to measure other people against perfection (assuming I or anyone else even knows what that is). Rather I measure people relative to each other and relative to me as I really am (not what I wish I were). In choosing to whom I give my political support, I favor those who are the better, or more often, those who are the least worse. Without a choice of one kind or the other, complaining alone may be good for the pysche, but it is worthless for making things better.

Think about that!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 10:05 pm
Either or both PNAC or LIEbrals, are too easily corruptible by power, and therefore quite capable of fashioning a "Big Brother" world. I want my liberties, your liberties and everyone else's liberties secured, not because I am an altruist, but because I realize that is in my own self-interest and in the self-interest of all those I love now and will in future.

America still exists as a magnet to the oppressed seeking to make themselves a better life. We need do nothing more than practice what we preach, or at least once preached, to cause other states to emulate us or better. But we also must be willing to oppose anyone with force if necessary who seeks to dictate to us how they think we must behave.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 10:24 pm
ok
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 10:43 pm
KLIK ME

How Freudian was that?
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2006 02:16 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
KLIK ME

How Freudian was that?


Jokes now.

We have gone from "we will win and they will be grateful" to "we have got to stay as long as it takes" by way of "we broke it, we must fix it" to "how can we extricate ourselves from this godawful mess" in very short order.

Anyone else seen Amigo's film yet? It's the best 1 hr 20 mins you will spend this year.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave...."
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2006 09:04 am
This week, U.S. Secretary of State Rice appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator Boxer made the following comment directly to Secretary Rice:

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Seventy-three percent of Iraqis believe there will be greater cooperation among Iraq's political factions when the United States redeploys.So I say to you, if we're in Iraq to help the Iraqi people, then we ought to start listening to the Iraqi people and start a redeployment.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2006 09:45 am
A British judge yesterday:

America's idea of what constitutes torture "is not the same as ours and doesn't appear to coincide with that of most civilised countries"

- Mr Justice Collins
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2006 10:52 am
McTag wrote:
A British judge yesterday:

America's idea of what constitutes torture "is not the same as ours and doesn't appear to coincide with that of most civilised countries"

- Mr Justice Collins


It's only torture if someone is doing it to us ... when we do it to someone else, it's perfectly acceptable.

Anon
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 17 Feb, 2006 05:39 pm
wandeljw wrote:
This week, U.S. Secretary of State Rice appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator Boxer made the following comment directly to Secretary Rice:

Quote:
Seventy-three percent of Iraqis believe there will be greater cooperation among Iraq's political factions when the United States redeploys.So I say to you, if we're in Iraq to help the Iraqi people, then we ought to start listening to the Iraqi people and start a redeployment.

I bet the USA will be happy to leave Iraq as soon as the Iraq government asks us to leave Iraq. The sooner they ask the better. But we will not leave until they ask us to leave.
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