The Middle of the Road or Not?

Phoenix32890 wrote:

Momma- One does not have to approve of homosexuality, in order to give all citizens equal rights. For instance, I have observed many marriages of which I do not approve. There are abusive spouses, uncaring spouses, totally self centered spouses, etc. who make their partner's lives miserable.

I certainly would not say that since I don't approve of these marriages, that I would deny these folks the legal right to marry. So approval of a person's lifestyle, IMO, is not sufficient reason to deny all people equal protection under the laws.

Momma- Did you read my post carefully? One does not have to approve of a person's way of life in order to agree that they are entitled to equal protection under the laws. THAT is a compromise, as you put it. You might not approve of a lifestyle, but that does not mean that you are so prejudiced that you would deny people their civil rights!

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Cliff Hanger Wrote:

[quote]Look, you make a very valid point about Liberals-- They are just as hard assed, if not more than whomever, I agree with you wholeheartedly on that one-- But, this kind of debate is NOT why wars start. This debate is just a bunch of fairly decent (some more so than others) sitting on their keesters debating with you, who cannot veer away from your beloved Bible to think for yourself.

Why do you care what other people's sexual preferences are? You care because the Bible tells you to mind their business...not because you think for yourself. [/quote]

Guess you missed the part about how I thought homosexuality was wrong before I became a Christian, huh? Every war starts with some kind of disagreement where there is no compromise.

Oh, I'm just feeling the love there Cliff Hanger! .....not because you think for yourself. You just proved Hephzibah's point. Because of my religious beliefs you don't give much credit to what I say.

Because I don't live by YOUR standards (to those that applies to) then I am wrong. Hmmmm. Yep, that's what I have been hearing ever since I first started posting on A2K. I have been told over and over again that why should anyone else live up to the Christian Right's standards. Well, why should I live by your standards?[/color]

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I hate repeating myself, but this is all I have to say on the subject...

The only way someone can truly clarify is if those asking for clarification are actually willing to hear (not necessarily agree with) what is being said. My perception of this situation is that momma has been put into a category by some based on her beliefs.

Because her train of thought is so oppositional to them, those arguing are not even willing to hear, let alone compromise, because it's already been decided she is wrong and that decision negates everything she says before she even says it. Therefore there is no compromise on either side, just a whole lotta bashing going on in here!

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Phoenix,

I read exactly word for word what you posted. I am not denying them their rights by abstaining.

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Momma Angel wrote:

RIGHT! Just admit it everyone, c'mon! Unless I change the way I think about this I am wrong.

Until I say that homosexuality is ok I am going to be wrong.

There is no compromise on this because you (not literal) have not even offered one. If there is one, show it to me! Please! Where are you willing to show compromise and tolerance in this issue for my point of view?

No, you are entitled to your opinion. The way I view it is this-- If you vote against gay marriage you are denying gay people some basic rights that you as a straight married person enjoy. What is baffling is why you would put your energy here?

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the "correctness" of homosexuality is not an issue on the table here, the denying of civil rights is the only issue at hand. ie I think that christians (religionists in general) are evil but I would always vote YES on their civil rights.

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How do we indicate we hear if we don't agree? How do you know we don't hear?

What compromise is available if it's a binary choice?

Homosexuality is wrong, or it isn't.

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Phoenix, you hit the nail on the head.

It always cracks me up that people seem to think that voting for gay marriage somehow means they condone homosexuality.

Homosexuals have always existed and they always will. Voting on anything has no effect on that.

But disapproval of their behavior should not mean that someone is willing to deny them rights enjoyed by the rest of the population.

I've been "civilly unioned" to my husband for 16 years. Nobody doesn't call us "married".

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Just another who agrees that we don't have to stamp our approval on gay marriage to allow them civil rights.

I don't approve of many hetereosexual marriages.

And, this is good:

James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

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My abstaining does not deny them their civil rights!

The world is not black and white people! There are all different shades of gray inbetween. I can see that! I'm not understanding why some of you aren't seeing it.

boomerang,

Well, honey, hang around. I am sure I will be giving you plenty to laugh about.

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My abstaining does not deny them their civil rights!
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Yes, it does.

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...and it is your civil right to abstain

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In YOUR opinion, Lash YOUR opinion.

Yes, Intrepid, exactly! So, it seems that I am to ignore my civil rights for those of another? Ok, everyone, explain to me why? Why should I give up my civil rights for someone else?

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...which nobody here would vote to take away from her -- and would in fact vote TO make sure she kept it. ;-)

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One thing i find interesting in all of this is that anyone buys into MOAN's entire voting canard.

Is Louisiana holding a referendum on the homosexual marriage issue? If so, then MOAN's silly rant has some basis in reality. Otherwise, it's all a fantasy she's cobbled together to make herself appear reasonable.

So MOAN, is Louisiana going to hold a referendum on homosexual marriage? If so, can you give us a link to reputable news source with describes the ballot initiative?

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How'd you like it if your right to abstain from voting was in peril -- and rather than upholding that right for you, we abstained?

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Setanta,

I have said that this is not an issue in Louisiana. I never implied it was. I have always said IF I had the opportunity to vote. C'mon Big Guy! Catch up with the rest of us, will ya? :wink:

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How do we indicate we hear if we don't agree? How do you know we don't hear?

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You do whatever you'd like, Momma Angel.

I'm not physically hindering you, or hindering you in any other way.

I'm just withholding the affirmation of your way of thinking that you seem to want.

If you don't want it, if that doesn't matter, why am I frustrating you?

With one statement you negated pretty much everything she has said by asserting she is only saying it to gain affirmation. Which therefore would make her weak and unreliable.

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sozobe Wrote:

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How'd you like it if your right to abstain from voting was in peril -- and rather than upholding that right for you, we abstained?

I wouldn't have problem one with it at all, sozobe. That's what you are not understanding about me at all. That is your right. You have the right to vote, not vote or vote any way you want for any reason you want and I have no right to tell you differently..

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I was directly addressing her previous post, and asking questions. The rest is your embellishment.

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