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The Unitary Executive Branch

 
 
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 04:20 pm
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ebrown_p wrote:
Impeachment is in our Constitution and is part of the democratic process.So is expressing the opinion that an impeachment is warranted.


i could swear that it was only a few short years ago, the republicans and other conservatives were more than happy to run around talking impeachment about our previous president.

there was far less talk about "democracy" and "he was voted in" then, though.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 05:21 pm
Re: The Unitary Executive Branch
ebrown_p wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:

Impeach him or be quiet. He was voted in fairly. This is a democracy.


Since when is being quiet required in a democracy?

It isn't. However, she is acting as though some legal action ought to be taken against Bush. It was to that idea that my comment applies.


The facts that we are a democracy, or that Bush was voted in "fairly" are irrelevant to the question.

Impeachment is in our Constitution and is part of the democratic process.So is expressing the opinion that an impeachment is warranted.

There is even a not too distant chance that the political makeup of the House next year may make one possible.

I agree that impeachment is in our Constitution as part of our democracy. I have never said or implied otherwise. Once again, it sounded to me like she was advocating some other legal action against him, which is absurd.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 7 Feb, 2006 07:02 pm
Re: The Unitary Executive Branch
Brandon9000 wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:
Let's talk about the future of our nation under Bush's version of the Unitary Executive Branch. Let's start with this FindLaw article:

The Unitary Executive: Is The Doctrine Behind the Bush Presidency Consistent with a Democratic State?

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. . . we need to decide whether a President who has determined to ignore or evade the law has not acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government.

Impeach him or be quiet. He was voted in fairly. This is a democracy.



The issue is not whether or not Bush "was voted in fairly." Whether he ascended to the top executive branch office of President of the United States of America fairly or unfairly has no bearing on the fact that HE IS THE PRESIDENT.

The topic of this thread is about expansive presidential powers under Bush's version of the unitary executive branch theory. I asked you to review the article entitled, "The Unitary Executive: Is The Doctrine Behind the Bush Presidency Consistent with a Democratic State."

Accordingly, your proclamation that "This is a democracy," simply begs the question. The question is whether the doctrine behind Bush's presidency is CONSISTENT with a democratic state.

Since when has it ever been consistent with our democratic state to tell another citizen to shut up because this is a democracy? You make no sense at all.

If you truly want to have a legitimate discussion, please address the actual topic of this thread.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 8 Feb, 2006 11:05 am
Re: The Unitary Executive Branch
Debra_Law wrote:
[Accordingly, your proclamation that "This is a democracy," simply begs the question. The question is whether the doctrine behind Bush's presidency is CONSISTENT with a democratic state.
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Perhaps part of the fault here is associated with the question itself. "... consistent with a Democratic state" is a phrase that invites value judgements, not all related to the essential character of a democratic republic - which is what we are. Would you object to replacing this phrase with. "consistent with the Constitution of the United States" ?

Certainly the constitution is clear that the executive power of the Federal Government is vested in the elected President, and not in the elected legislature. My impression is that the phrase "unitary executive", which is often given rather dark and vague meanings and implications, in fact refers only to the fact that the President exercises executive power with respect to the operations of the whole executive branch of the government. The Congress certainly has a continuing role in the funding of executive agencies and in many cases for their creation and the establishment of the basic laws under which they operate. However, that does not include the direction of their day to day operation. M any in Congress have grown accustomed to the illusion of their executive authority, but it is most certainly not given to them in the constitution.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2006 01:43 am
Re: The Unitary Executive Branch
georgeob1 wrote:
Perhaps part of the fault here is associated with the question itself. "... consistent with a Democratic state" is a phrase that invites value judgements, not all related to the essential character of a democratic republic - which is what we are. Would you object to replacing this phrase with. "consistent with the Constitution of the United States" ?

Debra can speak for herself of course, but I presume that she would. When she links to an article, it isn't Debra's style to misquote its title.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2006 03:04 am
Re: The Unitary Executive Branch
georgeob1 wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:
[Accordingly, your proclamation that "This is a democracy," simply begs the question. The question is whether the doctrine behind Bush's presidency is CONSISTENT with a democratic state.


Perhaps part of the fault here is associated with the question itself. "... consistent with a Democratic state" is a phrase that invites value judgements, not all related to the essential character of a democratic republic - which is what we are. Would you object to replacing this phrase with. "consistent with the Constitution of the United States" ?


I cannot find fault with the question. To start our discussion of the future of America under Bush's version of the "Unitary Executive Branch," I linked to this article:

The Unitary Executive: Is The Doctrine Behind the Bush Presidency Consistent with a Democratic State?

The author of the article, Jennifer Van Bergen, states:

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In this column, I will consider the meaning of the unitary executive doctrine within a democratic government that respects the separation of powers. I will ask: Can our government remain true to its nature, yet also embrace this doctrine?


Please read the entire article. The article concludes as follows:

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The Unitary Executive Doctrine Violates the Separation of Powers

As Findlaw columnist Edward Lazarus recently showed, the President does not have unlimited executive authority, not even as Commander-in-Chief of the military. Our government was purposely created with power split between three branches, not concentrated in one.

Separation of powers, then, is not simply a talisman: It is the foundation of our system. James Madison wrote in The Federalist Papers, No. 47, that:

The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

Another early American, George Nicholas, eloquently articulated the concept of "power divided" in one of his letters:

The most effectual guard which has yet been discovered against the abuse of power, is the division of it. It is our happiness to have a constitution which contains within it a sufficient limitation to the power granted by it, and also a proper division of that power. But no constitution affords any real security to liberty unless it is considered as sacred and preserved inviolate; because that security can only arise from an actual and not from a nominal limitation and division of power.

Yet it seems a nominal limitation and division of power - with real power concentrated solely in the "unitary executive" - is exactly what President Bush seeks. His signing statements make the point quite clearly, and his overt refusal to follow the laws illustrates that point: In Bush's view, there is no actual limitation or division of power; it all resides in the executive.

Thomas Paine wrote in Common Sense:

In America, the law is king. For as in absolute governments the King is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other.

The unitary executive doctrine conflicts with Paine's principle - one that is fundamental to our constitutional system. If Bush can ignore or evade laws, then the law is no longer king. Americans need to decide whether we are still a country of laws - and if we are, we need to decide whether a President who has determined to ignore or evade the law has not acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government.



Bush's version of the "unitary executive branch" is INCONSISTENT with our democratic republic based on the rule of law and separation of powers.




georgeob1 wrote:
Certainly the constitution is clear that the executive power of the Federal Government is vested in the elected President, and not in the elected legislature. My impression is that the phrase "unitary executive", which is often given rather dark and vague meanings and implications, in fact refers only to the fact that the President exercises executive power with respect to the operations of the whole executive branch of the government. The Congress certainly has a continuing role in the funding of executive agencies and in many cases for their creation and the establishment of the basic laws under which they operate. However, that does not include the direction of their day to day operation. M any in Congress have grown accustomed to the illusion of their executive authority, but it is most certainly not given to them in the constitution.



President Bush's application of the "unitary executive" is not limited to merely acknowledging the president as the head of the executive branch. The essential character of our democratic republic is the rule of law and separation of powers. Under Bush's view of the "unitary executive," Bush asserts inherent authority to ignore federal laws if he determines that the law encroaches upon his constitutional role. Under Bush's version of the unitary executive, the laws passed by our democratically elected representatives in Congress are little more than good advice that he may follow or not follow at his sole discretion. Accordingly, the essential character of our democratic republic is being usurped. If the president may ignore the law at his pleasure, then the law is no longer king--the president is king.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2006 07:45 am
I believe the essential question with respect to the rule of law boils down to whether, in its legislative function, the Congress can limit powers (and responsibilities) already assigned to the President in the constitution.

I believe that is the essence of the legal debate ongoing between the Administration and some senators. I also believe the Congress has no such authority. It is merely convenient for the Democrats to seek to argue the question with respect to some far less specific and relatively vague principles of "democratic government". The separation of powers argument cuts both ways, as the Attorney General politely noted in his testimpny before the Judiciary Committee a couple of days ago.

The powers in question were indeed exercised in analogous form in earlier crises by other Presidents, including prominent Democrats such as Jackson, Wilson , Roosevelt, Truman, and Johnson (also some argue, by Clinton).

I believe the essential phenomenon is that the Democrats, unable to forge a coherent policy among their discordant single issue loonies, are resorting to mere attacks and public fear to create the illusion of a coherent program. Their tactics are -- "When you have the law on your side, argue the law. hen you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have neither the law nor the facts, argue on first principles".
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2006 09:32 am
georgeob1 wrote:
I believe the essential question with respect to the rule of law boils down to whether, in its legislative function, the Congress can limit powers (and responsibilities) already assigned to the President in the constitution.

I believe that is the essence of the legal debate ongoing between the Administration and some senators. I also believe the Congress has no such authority.

Then the constitution, as interpreted since the founding era, disagrees with you. Article 1, section 8, makes it very clear that "Congress shall have the power [...] To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces." It exempts no government institution from such regulation, and certainly not the presidency. In fact, if you look up that clause in The Founder's Constitution, you will see that it exists to prevent just the kind of usurpations the Bush administration is attempting. The Founders' Constitution is a publication of originalists by originalists for originalists. You could hardly suspect that its authors would stack the deck in favor of liberal judicial imperialism.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2006 10:09 am
Congress does indeed have the power to constitute and "regulate" the land and Nav al forc es of the republic. However, never has that power been construed to preempt or limit the President's power as Commander-in-Chief in overseeing, and directing their operation and use. The President's powers in this area arise directly from responsibilities and powers vested in him in the constitution. I believe this is the essential divide in the debate at hand.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2006 10:51 am
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However, never has that power been construed to preempt or limit the President's power as Commander-in-Chief in overseeing, and directing their operation and use.


It absolutely has. FISA, 1978. Carter never should have signed the thing if the Exec. branch didn't wish to be bound.

Cycloptichorn
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 9 Feb, 2006 04:31 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Congress does indeed have the power to constitute and "regulate" the land and Nav al forc es of the republic. However, never has that power been construed to preempt or limit the President's power as Commander-in-Chief in overseeing, and directing their operation and use. The President's powers in this area arise directly from responsibilities and powers vested in him in the constitution. I believe this is the essential divide in the debate at hand.


What you are describing is a land of chaos . . . with Congress enacting laws to regulate the government and every president who takes office unilaterally deciding whether or not to follow the law.

Congress enacted the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Our soldiers are required--by law--to comply with the UCMJ. Under your view of presidential powers, the UCMJ contains mere suggestions that cannot preempt or limit the CIC.

What about Lyndie England who was convicted under the UCMJ of four counts of maltreating detainees? Are you saying the president could issue an order instructing soldiers to abuse detainees to soften them up for intelligence interviews . . . and the president's order would preempt the UCMJ?

What about the massacre at My Lai during the Viet Nam War. This was a war crime in violation of our laws. You are claiming, however, that the president as CIC could authorize our troops to wipe out an entire village in a search and destroy mission and that Congress has no power to prohibit those kinds of military operations.

It doesn't matter if the president dons his CIC hat. He is not a king. Our government is LIMITED by the Constitution and REGULATED by laws enacted by Congress--our government is not ruled by presidential fiat.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 10:13 am
I've revived this topic (thanks Deb) because I feel there is serious evidence these days that the Executive Branch under Bush has claimed an unprecedented level of powers, powers to ignore laws at will, simply when the president decides they don't apply to him anymore.

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Bush challenges hundreds of laws

By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | April 30, 2006

WASHINGTON -- President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.

Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ''whistle-blower" protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.

Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush's assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ''to take care that the laws be faithfully executed." Bush, however, has repeatedly declared that he does not need to ''execute" a law he believes is unconstitutional.

Former administration officials contend that just because Bush reserves the right to disobey a law does not mean he is not enforcing it: In many cases, he is simply asserting his belief that a certain requirement encroaches on presidential power.

But with the disclosure of Bush's domestic spying program, in which he ignored a law requiring warrants to tap the phones of Americans, many legal specialists say Bush is hardly reluctant to bypass laws he believes he has the constitutional authority to override.

Far more than any predecessor, Bush has been aggressive about declaring his right to ignore vast swaths of laws -- many of which he says infringe on power he believes the Constitution assigns to him alone as the head of the executive branch or the commander in chief of the military.

Many legal scholars say they believe that Bush's theory about his own powers goes too far and that he is seizing for himself some of the law-making role of Congress and the Constitution-interpreting role of the courts.

Phillip Cooper, a Portland State University law professor who has studied the executive power claims Bush made during his first term, said Bush and his legal team have spent the past five years quietly working to concentrate ever more governmental power into the White House.

''There is no question that this administration has been involved in a very carefully thought-out, systematic process of expanding presidential power at the expense of the other branches of government," Cooper said. ''This is really big, very expansive, and very significant."

For the first five years of Bush's presidency, his legal claims attracted little attention in Congress or the media. Then, twice in recent months, Bush drew scrutiny after challenging new laws: a torture ban and a requirement that he give detailed reports to Congress about how he is using the Patriot Act.

Bush administration spokesmen declined to make White House or Justice Department attorneys available to discuss any of Bush's challenges to the laws he has signed.

Instead, they referred a Globe reporter to their response to questions about Bush's position that he could ignore provisions of the Patriot Act. They said at the time that Bush was following a practice that has ''been used for several administrations" and that ''the president will faithfully execute the law in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution."

But the words ''in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution" are the catch, legal scholars say, because Bush is according himself the ultimate interpretation of the Constitution. And he is quietly exercising that authority to a degree that is unprecedented in US history.

Bush is the first president in modern history who has never vetoed a bill, giving Congress no chance to override his judgments. Instead, he has signed every bill that reached his desk, often inviting the legislation's sponsors to signing ceremonies at which he lavishes praise upon their work.

Then, after the media and the lawmakers have left the White House, Bush quietly files ''signing statements" -- official documents in which a president lays out his legal interpretation of a bill for the federal bureaucracy to follow when implementing the new law. The statements are recorded in the federal register.

In his signing statements, Bush has repeatedly asserted that the Constitution gives him the right to ignore numerous sections of the bills -- sometimes including provisions that were the subject of negotiations with Congress in order to get lawmakers to pass the bill. He has appended such statements to more than one of every 10 bills he has signed.

''He agrees to a compromise with members of Congress, and all of them are there for a public bill-signing ceremony, but then he takes back those compromises -- and more often than not, without the Congress or the press or the public knowing what has happened," said Christopher Kelley, a Miami University of Ohio political science professor who studies executive power.


Military link

Many of the laws Bush said he can bypass -- including the torture ban -- involve the military.

The Constitution grants Congress the power to create armies, to declare war, to make rules for captured enemies, and ''to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces." But, citing his role as commander in chief, Bush says he can ignore any act of Congress that seeks to regulate the military.

On at least four occasions while Bush has been president, Congress has passed laws forbidding US troops from engaging in combat in Colombia, where the US military is advising the government in its struggle against narcotics-funded Marxist rebels.

After signing each bill, Bush declared in his signing statement that he did not have to obey any of the Colombia restrictions because he is commander in chief.


Bush has also said he can bypass laws requiring him to tell Congress before diverting money from an authorized program in order to start a secret operation, such as the ''black sites" where suspected terrorists are secretly imprisoned.

Congress has also twice passed laws forbidding the military from using intelligence that was not ''lawfully collected," including any information on Americans that was gathered in violation of the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable searches.

Congress first passed this provision in August 2004, when Bush's warrantless domestic spying program was still a secret, and passed it again after the program's existence was disclosed in December 2005.

On both occasions, Bush declared in signing statements that only he, as commander in chief, could decide whether such intelligence can be used by the military.

In October 2004, five months after the Abu Ghraib torture scandal in Iraq came to light, Congress passed a series of new rules and regulations for military prisons. Bush signed the provisions into law, then said he could ignore them all. One provision made clear that military lawyers can give their commanders independent advice on such issues as what would constitute torture. But Bush declared that military lawyers could not contradict his administration's lawyers.

Other provisions required the Pentagon to retrain military prison guards on the requirements for humane treatment of detainees under the Geneva Conventions, to perform background checks on civilian contractors in Iraq, and to ban such contractors from performing ''security, intelligence, law enforcement, and criminal justice functions." Bush reserved the right to ignore any of the requirements.

The new law also created the position of inspector general for Iraq. But Bush wrote in his signing statement that the inspector ''shall refrain" from investigating any intelligence or national security matter, or any crime the Pentagon says it prefers to investigate for itself.

Bush had placed similar limits on an inspector general position created by Congress in November 2003 for the initial stage of the US occupation of Iraq. The earlier law also empowered the inspector to notify Congress if a US official refused to cooperate. Bush said the inspector could not give any information to Congress without permission from the administration.


Oversight questioned
Many laws Bush has asserted he can bypass involve requirements to give information about government activity to congressional oversight committees.

In December 2004, Congress passed an intelligence bill requiring the Justice Department to tell them how often, and in what situations, the FBI was using special national security wiretaps on US soil. The law also required the Justice Department to give oversight committees copies of administration memos outlining any new interpretations of domestic-spying laws. And it contained 11 other requirements for reports about such issues as civil liberties, security clearances, border security, and counternarcotics efforts.

After signing the bill, Bush issued a signing statement saying he could withhold all the information sought by Congress.

Likewise, when Congress passed the law creating the Department of Homeland Security in 2002, it said oversight committees must be given information about vulnerabilities at chemical plants and the screening of checked bags at airports.

It also said Congress must be shown unaltered reports about problems with visa services prepared by a new immigration ombudsman. Bush asserted the right to withhold the information and alter the reports.

On several other occasions, Bush contended he could nullify laws creating ''whistle-blower" job protections for federal employees that would stop any attempt to fire them as punishment for telling a member of Congress about possible government wrongdoing.

When Congress passed a massive energy package in August, for example, it strengthened whistle-blower protections for employees at the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

The provision was included because lawmakers feared that Bush appointees were intimidating nuclear specialists so they would not testify about safety issues related to a planned nuclear-waste repository at Yucca Mountain in Nevada -- a facility the administration supported, but both Republicans and Democrats from Nevada opposed.

When Bush signed the energy bill, he issued a signing statement declaring that the executive branch could ignore the whistle-blower protections.

Bush's statement did more than send a threatening message to federal energy specialists inclined to raise concerns with Congress; it also raised the possibility that Bush would not feel bound to obey similar whistle-blower laws that were on the books before he became president. His domestic spying program, for example, violated a surveillance law enacted 23 years before he took office.

David Golove, a New York University law professor who specializes in executive-power issues, said Bush has cast a cloud over ''the whole idea that there is a rule of law," because no one can be certain of which laws Bush thinks are valid and which he thinks he can ignore.

''Where you have a president who is willing to declare vast quantities of the legislation that is passed during his term unconstitutional, it implies that he also thinks a very significant amount of the other laws that were already on the books before he became president are also unconstitutional," Golove said.

Defying Supreme Court

Bush has also challenged statutes in which Congress gave certain executive branch officials the power to act independently of the president. The Supreme Court has repeatedly endorsed the power of Congress to make such arrangements. For example, the court has upheld laws creating special prosecutors free of Justice Department oversight and insulating the board of the Federal Trade Commission from political interference.

Nonetheless, Bush has said in his signing statements that the Constitution lets him control any executive official, no matter what a statute passed by Congress might say.

In November 2002, for example, Congress, seeking to generate independent statistics about student performance, passed a law setting up an educational research institute to conduct studies and publish reports ''without the approval" of the Secretary of Education. Bush, however, decreed that the institute's director would be ''subject to the supervision and direction of the secretary of education."

Similarly, the Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld affirmative-action programs, as long as they do not include quotas. Most recently, in 2003, the court upheld a race-conscious university admissions program over the strong objections of Bush, who argued that such programs should be struck down as unconstitutional.

Yet despite the court's rulings, Bush has taken exception at least nine times to provisions that seek to ensure that minorities are represented among recipients of government jobs, contracts, and grants. Each time, he singled out the provisions, declaring that he would construe them ''in a manner consistent with" the Constitution's guarantee of ''equal protection" to all -- which some legal scholars say amounts to an argument that the affirmative-action provisions represent reverse discrimination against whites.

Golove said that to the extent Bush is interpreting the Constitution in defiance of the Supreme Court's precedents, he threatens to ''overturn the existing structures of constitutional law."

A president who ignores the court, backed by a Congress that is unwilling to challenge him, Golove said, can make the Constitution simply ''disappear."

Common practice in '80s

Though Bush has gone further than any previous president, his actions are not unprecedented.

Since the early 19th century, American presidents have occasionally signed a large bill while declaring that they would not enforce a specific provision they believed was unconstitutional. On rare occasions, historians say, presidents also issued signing statements interpreting a law and explaining any concerns about it.

But it was not until the mid-1980s, midway through the tenure of President Reagan, that it became common for the president to issue signing statements. The change came about after then-Attorney General Edwin Meese decided that signing statements could be used to increase the power of the president.

When interpreting an ambiguous law, courts often look at the statute's legislative history, debate and testimony, to see what Congress intended it to mean. Meese realized that recording what the president thought the law meant in a signing statement might increase a president's influence over future court rulings.

Under Meese's direction in 1986, a young Justice Department lawyer named Samuel A. Alito Jr. wrote a strategy memo about signing statements. It came to light in late 2005, after Bush named Alito to the Supreme Court.

In the memo, Alito predicted that Congress would resent the president's attempt to grab some of its power by seizing ''the last word on questions of interpretation." He suggested that Reagan's legal team should ''concentrate on points of true ambiguity, rather than issuing interpretations that may seem to conflict with those of Congress."

Reagan's successors continued this practice. George H.W. Bush challenged 232 statutes over four years in office, and Bill Clinton objected to 140 laws over his eight years, according to Kelley, the Miami University of Ohio professor.

Many of the challenges involved longstanding legal ambiguities and points of conflict between the president and Congress.

Throughout the past two decades, for example, each president -- including the current one -- has objected to provisions requiring him to get permission from a congressional committee before taking action. The Supreme Court made clear in 1983 that only the full Congress can direct the executive branch to do things, but lawmakers have continued writing laws giving congressional committees such a role.

Still, Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and Clinton used the presidential veto instead of the signing statement if they had a serious problem with a bill, giving Congress a chance to override their decisions.

But the current President Bush has abandoned the veto entirely, as well as any semblance of the political caution that Alito counseled back in 1986. In just five years, Bush has challenged more than 750 new laws, by far a record for any president, while becoming the first president since Thomas Jefferson to stay so long in office without issuing a veto.

''What we haven't seen until this administration is the sheer number of objections that are being raised on every bill passed through the White House," said Kelley, who has studied presidential signing statements through history. ''That is what is staggering. The numbers are well out of the norm from any previous administration."

Exaggerated fears?

Some administration defenders say that concerns about Bush's signing statements are overblown. Bush's signing statements, they say, should be seen as little more than political chest-thumping by administration lawyers who are dedicated to protecting presidential prerogatives.

Defenders say the fact that Bush is reserving the right to disobey the laws does not necessarily mean he has gone on to disobey them.

Indeed, in some cases, the administration has ended up following laws that Bush said he could bypass. For example, citing his power to ''withhold information" in September 2002, Bush declared that he could ignore a law requiring the State Department to list the number of overseas deaths of US citizens in foreign countries. Nevertheless, the department has still put the list on its website.

Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor who until last year oversaw the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel for the administration, said the statements do not change the law; they just let people know how the president is interpreting it.

''Nobody reads them," said Goldsmith. ''They have no significance. Nothing in the world changes by the publication of a signing statement. The statements merely serve as public notice about how the administration is interpreting the law. Criticism of this practice is surprising, since the usual complaint is that the administration is too secretive in its legal interpretations."

But Cooper, the Portland State University professor who has studied Bush's first-term signing statements, said the documents are being read closely by one key group of people: the bureaucrats who are charged with implementing new laws.

Lower-level officials will follow the president's instructions even when his understanding of a law conflicts with the clear intent of Congress, crafting policies that may endure long after Bush leaves office, Cooper said.

''Years down the road, people will not understand why the policy doesn't look like the legislation," he said.

And in many cases, critics contend, there is no way to know whether the administration is violating laws -- or merely preserving the right to do so.

Many of the laws Bush has challenged involve national security, where it is almost impossible to verify what the government is doing. And since the disclosure of Bush's domestic spying program, many people have expressed alarm about his sweeping claims of the authority to violate laws.

In January, after the Globe first wrote about Bush's contention that he could disobey the torture ban, three Republicans who were the bill's principal sponsors in the Senate -- John McCain of Arizona, John W. Warner of Virginia, and Lindsey O. Graham of South Carolina -- all publicly rebuked the president.

''We believe the president understands Congress's intent in passing, by very large majorities, legislation governing the treatment of detainees," McCain and Warner said in a joint statement. ''The Congress declined when asked by administration officials to include a presidential waiver of the restrictions included in our legislation."

Added Graham: ''I do not believe that any political figure in the country has the ability to set aside any . . . law of armed conflict that we have adopted or treaties that we have ratified."

And in March, when the Globe first wrote about Bush's contention that he could ignore the oversight provisions of the Patriot Act, several Democrats lodged complaints.

Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, accused Bush of trying to ''cherry-pick the laws he decides he wants to follow."

And Representatives Jane Harman of California and John Conyers Jr. of Michigan -- the ranking Democrats on the House Intelligence and Judiciary committees, respectively -- sent a letter to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales demanding that Bush rescind his claim and abide by the law.

''Many members who supported the final law did so based upon the guarantee of additional reporting and oversight," they wrote. ''The administration cannot, after the fact, unilaterally repeal provisions of the law implementing such oversight. . . . Once the president signs a bill, he and all of us are bound by it."

Lack of court review

Such political fallout from Congress is likely to be the only check on Bush's claims, legal specialists said.

The courts have little chance of reviewing Bush's assertions, especially in the secret realm of national security matters.

''There can't be judicial review if nobody knows about it," said Neil Kinkopf, a Georgia State law professor who was a Justice Department official in the Clinton administration. ''And if they avoid judicial review, they avoid having their constitutional theories rebuked."

Without court involvement, only Congress can check a president who goes too far. But Bush's fellow Republicans control both chambers, and they have shown limited interest in launching the kind of oversight that could damage their party.

''The president is daring Congress to act against his positions, and they're not taking action because they don't want to appear to be too critical of the president, given that their own fortunes are tied to his because they are all Republicans," said Jack Beermann, a Boston University law professor. ''Oversight gets much reduced in a situation where the president and Congress are controlled by the same party."

Said Golove, the New York University law professor: ''Bush has essentially said that 'We're the executive branch and we're going to carry this law out as we please, and if Congress wants to impeach us, go ahead and try it.' "

Bruce Fein, a deputy attorney general in the Reagan administration, said the American system of government relies upon the leaders of each branch ''to exercise some self-restraint." But Bush has declared himself the sole judge of his own powers, he said, and then ruled for himself every time.

''This is an attempt by the president to have the final word on his own constitutional powers, which eliminates the checks and balances that keep the country a democracy," Fein said. ''There is no way for an independent judiciary to check his assertions of power, and Congress isn't doing it, either. So this is moving us toward an unlimited executive power."


The media has finally begun to report on some of the amazingly UnAmerican excesses of the Bush administration.

Do you agree that Bush, and any president, has the right to simply ignore laws written by Congress, because he disagrees with their ability to limit his powers?

This is a dangerous administration, in the extreme. They have usurped powers from the other branches of government; and that's far, far more dangerous than any terrorist.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 10:16 am
glenngreenwald.blogspot.com - talking about the above article:

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The entire article -- which I highly recommending reading -- details the numerous instances in which Congress has passed laws banning certain conduct, the President has signed those bills into law, only for the President not only to reserve the right to violate those laws but to then order that those laws by violated, systematically and repeatedly. As the Globe article reports with startling clarity, to describe the state of affairs we have in our country is to describe, by definition, a state of authoritarian lawlessness. We literally have a President who has been saying for years, right out in the open, that he can act without regard to the law whenever he wants, and we need to repeat that fact - and prove it - over and over until that debate is finally had. The Globe article advances that objective significantly.

It is not uncommon for a President to refrain from executing a law which he believes, and states, is unconstitutional. Other Presidents have invoked that doctrine, although Bush has done so far more aggressively and frequently. But what is uncommon - what is entirely unprecedented - is that the administration's theories of its own power arrogate unto itself not just the right to refrain from enforcing such laws, but to act in violation of those laws, to engage in the very conduct which those laws criminalize, and they do so secretly and deceitfully, after signing the law and pretending that they are engaged in the democratic process. That is why the President has never bothered to veto a law -- why bother to veto laws when you have the power to violate them at will?

I have pointed out many times before that scandals which harm or bring down a presidency do not develop overnight. Americans have to really be persuaded that there is serious and deliberate wrongdoing in order to demand that meaningful action be taken. But that is clearly starting to happen, and the Globe and Charlie Savage should be congratulated for that rarest of acts -- journalists who are fulfilling their journalistic purpose by informing Americans as to what this government really is doing.


Cycloptichorn
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 11:28 am
Bush has indeed turned our country into a dictatorship described by Greenwald as "a state of authoritarian lawlessness." Unfortunately, most Americans are unaware of what is happening because Bush pretends to be engaged in the democratic process, pretends to adhere to our constitutional values, lies to our faces, and then does whatever he wants behind our backs. He has formed a SECRET, lawless government in what used to be a nation ruled by law, not by men.

The electorate are merely Bushco's useful idiots--easily deceived and manipulated--while he and his cronies unilaterally rule this country, pillage our coffers, and enrich the elite. It doesn't matter who we vote into office to be our legislative representatives. When our representatives pass laws that are no longer laws, but are relegated to the lowly status of suggestions that the president may or may not follow according to his own whims, then our country can no longer characterize itself as a democratic republic. Politically, our country is a dictatorship merely disguised as a democratic republic and Bush is our dictator.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 11:31 am
Similar things were said about Thomas jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, and LBJ.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 11:36 am
So? Just because other presidents in the past have tested their constitutional authority does not excuse the actions of Bush in the slightest.

Nice try tho

Cycloptichorn
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 11:39 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Similar things were said about Thomas jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, and LBJ.


Provide verifiable information to substantiate your statement and then tell us your point in making the statement.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 11:59 am
Debra_Law wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
Similar things were said about Thomas jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Harry Truman, and LBJ.


Provide verifiable information to substantiate your statement and then tell us your point in making the statement.


Do the same for your "Bush has indeed turned our country into a dictatorship" remark.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 12:03 pm
Feel free to read the thread before you assert that Deb hasn't done exactly that.

With some help, of course.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 May, 2006 01:16 pm
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President Bush: "It's Not Law Unless I Say So (And Even If I Said So)"

Today, May the 1st, is Law Day, celebrating the Rule of Law, which, under this Administration, has been honored more in the breach than the observance. Indeed, this article by Charlie Savage in the Boston Globe points out that

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President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution. Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ''whistle-blower" protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.


Savage is pointing to one of the effects of the explosion of Presidential signing statements under the Bush Presidency: Bush's decision-- instead of vetoing legislation-- to state that certain parts of laws that he signs are unconstitutional and will not be enforced or will be applied in very limited ways. One effect of this policy, as I've described here, is that the President may be directing his subordinates to refuse to enforce a wide variety of federal laws in secret, with little or no public accountability, and with no effective way for the courts or Congress to hold him to his duties to enforce the law and "take care that the laws be faithfully executed" under the Constitution.

A second important effect of Bush's policy is that he doesn't have to take the political heat for vetoing statutes that he believes are unconstitutional or unconstitutionally overbroad. Indeed, he has not yet vetoed a single bill sent to him by Congress.

The irony is that, at least in the early years of the Republic, the only time that Presidents tended to use their power of veto was when they believed that a law was unconstitutional. Bush's decision *never* to veto any bills he believes are unconstitutional is in some tension with his duties under the Constitution, at least if his views about unconstitutionality are in good faith. Surely Presidents shouldn't be required to veto every bill that passes their desk that has a constitutional difficulty, especially if the problem is a relatively minor part of a major piece of legislation. However, it is hard to argue that none of the 750 bills he claims are unconstitutional don't deserve a veto if he is serious about the constitutional claims he is making. One suspects that the President is primarily interested in escaping accountability for executive actions rather than having courts determine the constitutionality of provisions the President objects to; this is especially the case in the area of foreign relations, prisoner detention and prisoner interrogation. The Bush Administration didn't want Congress regulating how the it treated prisoners, regarding any such interventions as unconstitutional; at the same time, it didn't want the courts deciding the question of constitutionality either. It simply wanted to be free of legal obligations or responsibilities in this area other than those that it choose for itself.

Bush is not the first President to try this strategy, but he has taken it to new extremes, making it a regular part of his relationship to law, as Savage details in his article. Making this a regular and pervasive practice is constitutionally worrisome, because it allows the President to escape responsibility for enforcing laws that he himself signs into law based on what may be unreasonable claims about constitutionality which are devised primarily to increase his own power. It allows the President to gain many of the advantages of the veto without incurring the political disadvantages, and it allows him, by riddling bills with exceptions in how he will enforce them, to produce what is in effect legislation that Congress never passed. In this way, Bush does an end run around the logic of separation of powers, one of whose central purposes, it should be pointed out, is to restrain the arbitrary exercise of power.

Bush has already adopted President Nixon's view that if the President authorizes something, it isn't illegal, despite what the text of the law says. Now Bush has taken the converse position that if the President doesn't agree with legislation, even legislation that he signs, it isn't law. Together, these two attitudes are deeply corrosive of the Rule of Law and move us down the path to a dictatorial conception of Presidential power-- that is, the conception that the President on his own may dictate what is and what is not law, rather than the President merely being the person in constitutional system entrusted with faithful implementation and enforcement of the law.

Posted 6:53 AM by JB [link]


http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/05/president-bush-its-not-law-unless-i.html

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