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young_thinker wrote:

KickyCan, telling me that Jesus will save me in a moment of utter agony I consider preaching.

Yes, it would be, if that's what I had said. You may want to go back and read that post again. It sounds like you only read the first part.

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Ah, I see Momma Angel has beaten me to the punch on that one.

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kickycan wrote:

Ah, I see Momma Angel has beaten me to the punch on that one.

No problem, big guy. Happy to help!

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**Slaps self on forehead (hard)**

Well I'm dumb. Totally got it now.

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Intrepid wrote:

After all is said and done, what was the original point and purpose of what Fresco wrote?

I believe it was to draw a distinction between theism and atheism and showing why atheism was preferrable in terms of preventing armed conflict. Maybe I'm wrong and he will correct this assumption.

(He also stated that mankind cannot account for the origins of science which is puzzling).

I posted links disputing it...showing the numbers who killed in wars and there beliefs.

The link provides a study that shows.....all of mankind of all races, religions, languages, creeds etc. Have all spilled blood against one another. Even those within the same groups do so. Including atheists which for their small numbers....killed far more by comparison.

I believe the causes of war are common to all men and not exclusionary.

I also believe the solution is the same for all men as the word of God testifies.

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young_thinker wrote:

**Slaps self on forehead (hard)**

Well I'm dumb. Totally got it now.

That's okay. You can make up for it by acknowledging me as your savior and worshipping me without question. :wink:

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KickyCanism-the world's newest religion! All HAIL OUR LORD AND SAVOIR!!!!

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Excellent, my young protege. Now, go make me a sandwich.

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Words of Mother Theresa.

I pray that you will understand the words of Jesus, "Love one another as I have loved you." Ask yourself "How has he loved me? Do I really love others in the same way?" Unless this love is among us, we can kill ourselves with work and it will only be work, not love. Work without love is slavery.

http://www.ewtn.com/motherteresa/words.htm

I'm not even catholic and this woman's life has been a blessing to me.

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kickycan wrote:

Bartikus, I'm too tired to give it much thought right now, so I'll just have to get back to you on that when my brain starts functioning normally again.

Must be the.....nevermind.

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Intrepid wrote:

J_B wrote:
That's entirely possible, intrepid. This topic is a little deeper than I usually venture, but I hear what fresco is saying.

Let me try this. If the folks in question that fly the plane into the building do not believe in an afterlife. They believe in satanism. Does that mean that every person that believes in satanism is in support of those flying the planes?

If you disagree.... tell me how that is different from those who believe in an afterlife are any differently being accused of being associated with radicals who believe in an afterlife flying planes into buildings.

Your definition of Satanism is completely incorrect.

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Doktor S wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
J_B wrote:
That's entirely possible, intrepid. This topic is a little deeper than I usually venture, but I hear what fresco is saying.

Let me try this. If the folks in question that fly the plane into the building do not believe in an afterlife. They believe in satanism. Does that mean that every person that believes in satanism is in support of those flying the planes?

If you disagree.... tell me how that is different from those who believe in an afterlife are any differently being accused of being associated with radicals who believe in an afterlife flying planes into buildings.

Your definition of Satanism is completely incorrect.

That is fine, but perhaps you could provide a correction

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Satanism is a codified religion, complete with dogma philosophy and tenets.
What it is certainly not is 'anything that isn't christianity'

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Doktor S wrote:

Satanism is a codified religion, complete with dogma philosophy and tenets.
What it is certainly not is 'anything that isn't christianity'

and how did I define it?

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Oh..my mistake. I seem to have misread your post.
Ok then, to correctly answer your initial question...
Self preservation is the highest law of Satanism, so those people weren't Satanists to begin with.
Try a more feasible example.

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Fine... replace the word satanism with anything else and the premise is the same.

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To all,

I see in my absence you have had a debate on "guilt by association". This is in fact part of Sam Harris's thesis although to be fair the migitating circumstances for "addicts" is that non-addicts may not be able to hold them totally responsible for their "in-action".

Of course thesists will say "I don't buy that "! Who would willingly want to give up a potential "jackpot payout" ? Harris's point is that times have changed. The stakes for holding such irrational beliefs are that fringe individuals can now destroy multitudes, and key individuals can do even worse. When George Bush cites "God" as part of his rationality for invading Iraq who can argue with him ? ....not YOU if you are a "believer" !

Theists need to wake up ! Atheists are sick of being victims of "passive smoking".

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fresco wrote:

To all,

I see in my absence you have had a debate on "guilt by association". This is in fact part of Sam Harris's thesis although to be fair the migitating circumstances for "addicts" is that non-addicts may not be able to hold them totally responsible for their "in-action".

Of course thesists will say "I don't buy that "! Who would willingly want to give up a potential "jackpot payout" ? Harris's point is that times have changed. The stakes for holding such irrational beliefs are that fringe individuals can now destroy multitudes, and key individuals can do even worse. When George Bush cites "God" as part of his rationality for invading Iraq who can argue with him ? ....not YOU if you are a "believer" !

Theists need to wake up ! Atheists are sick of being victims of "passive smoking".

You have got to be kidding?!

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I don't think he is.

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Read Harris !

http://www.samharris.org/

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