InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 02:58 pm
@georgeob1,
I don't mean to speak for edgar, but in regard to the question of whether he's considered how the world came to be, he preceded that question when he said "there is no evidence that the world is other than just "is". The world exists, period. No beginning, no end. Some people give these attributes to "god," but "god" is an unnecessary complication. One can pare the middle man and give these attributes directly to the world. In regard to the Big Bang as it relates to the world, it is merely one process or phenomenon so far discovered by scientists within a larger process or phenomenon, as yet undiscovered by scientists, that we call "the world." There is speculation about this larger process that may involve an endless process of Big Bangs and Big Crunches.

As to the observation that materialistic foundations for ethics have lead to rationalized terrible deeds, and their comparison with terrible deeds based on hypocritical religious rationalizations based on selective interpretations of religious doctrines in clear violation of other fundamental principles, the materialists to whom you refer: the communists, clearly violated the purpose of communism as envisioned by Marxism: the betterment of "the people." Marx probably would have been horrified to see how his theory was perverted by the regimes to which you refer.

I can't speak for all of the atheists on A2K, but it seems that morality is something organic, that is to say, something that is a part of nature. It is seen also in other animals. Humans get along about as well as the other social animals. Sure, there are times when we kill each other, and have even eaten each other and our own young (the Bible itself speaks to this), but for the most part we get along and cooperate with each other. That's how we (all of the social animals) have survived in the world so far.
bob600
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 03:58 pm
@Arella Mae,
So your an agnostic then?
bob600
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 04:01 pm
@wayne,
That sound like one of those Chinese sayings at home in Kung Foo movies. Sounds clever but means little. "To say that love is blind is not to say all blind people are in love"
bob600
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 04:06 pm
@Thomas,
Sorry you can't be both, your either atheist theist or agnostic. Atheist and Theist black and white no doubts by either. Agnostic, shades of Gray, granted some shades may look black and some may even look white but if there is a speck of white in the black, or a speck of black in the white then neither can be considered pure.
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bob600
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 04:11 pm
@Wilso,
Then you KNOW God does not exist, welcome atheist. But be careful don't say you KNOW God does not exist, keep it between us. Other "agnostic/atheists" don't seem to like it, in fact I think they like it less than "agnostic/theists" BTW why does the majority consider agnostic an insult, its a more understandable and defendable position than theist or atheist.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:06 pm
@bob600,
bob600 wrote:

So your an agnostic then?
No, I am not an agnostic. I am a born again Christian. I used to say I know God exists. I got into lots of arguments about it too. But, I really had to look at it and for any single one of us to say we KNOW God exists would be dishonest. I've never seen God. I believe with all my heart he does exist but it's something none of us will know until the end I suppose.

Sorry but I gotta laugh. All the times some of you told me I can't KNOW if God exists or not and I finally understand what you meant and now you aren't liking it?
wayne
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 08:57 pm
@bob600,
bob600 wrote:

That sound like one of those Chinese sayings at home in Kung Foo movies. Sounds clever but means little. "To say that love is blind is not to say all blind people are in love"


If you ignore it you can think whatever you like, just don't expect me to ride your crazy train to the land where words mean whatever you want them to mean.
Wilso
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 10:49 pm
@bob600,
bob600 wrote:

Then you KNOW God does not exist, welcome atheist. But be careful don't say you KNOW God does not exist, keep it between us. Other "agnostic/atheists" don't seem to like it, in fact I think they like it less than "agnostic/theists" BTW why does the majority consider agnostic an insult, its a more understandable and defendable position than theist or atheist.


If you read enough of my posts on this site, you will come to realise that I really don't give a flying **** what the various definitions mean, or what anyone else thinks of my opinion.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2010 03:48 am
@wayne,
wayne wrote:
If you ignore it you can think whatever you like, just don't expect me to ride your crazy train to the land where words mean whatever you want them to mean.


Word.
Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2010 04:09 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:


I can't speak for all of the atheists on A2K, but it seems that morality is something organic, that is to say, something that is a part of nature. It is seen also in other animals. Humans get along about as well as the other social animals. Sure, there are times when we kill each other, and have even eaten each other and our own young (the Bible itself speaks to this), but for the most part we get along and cooperate with each other. That's how we (all of the social animals) have survived in the world so far.


That's so well said. And so true. I still feel guilt about things that I did wrong when I was 10-years-old (I'm 45 now). Since I'm an atheist, it must be organic. I just don't want to do wrong by other people - ever. The WORST I ever do is label some assholes exactly what I think of them on these pages. And if you're gonna be hurt by what someone thinks of you here, the solution is to not click on the site.
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 8 Dec, 2010 04:38 am
@youngthinker,
In the title of his or her thread, youngthinker wrote:
I'm an aethist

I dislike ethics myself. It always gets in the way of fun. I find that I'm much better off without it.
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wayne
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 12:23 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Word.


Mean
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 03:30 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:


I just don't want to do wrong by other people - ever. The WORST I ever do is label some assholes exactly what I think of them on these pages. And if you're gonna be hurt by what someone thinks of you here, the solution is to not click on the site.


Or, to click on the ignore button Smile
Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 03:54 am
@Intrepid,
What ever works for ya.
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bob600
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 01:34 pm
@wayne,
I always thought that words were meant to mean "whatever you want them to mean. " and others used their words in reply to mean" whatever they wanted them to mean" I think its referred to as dialogue.

What you really mean is you think I am talking ****. Perhaps your right who's to say, certainly not me I'm on the crazy train.
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bob600
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 01:40 pm
@Wilso,
A very direct and unambiguous reply, I certainly know where you say your coming from, but you don't care "what anyone else thinks of my opinion" come on, do you have so little passion or conviction that your opinions mean so little, I doubt that. And if you refuse to define anything then you will be forever in the dark, as you must know what you think you are talking about before having an opinion, right or wrong.
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bob600
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 01:49 pm
@Arella Mae,
Hey Arella, don't include me in the "aren't likening it" crowd, if you KNOW God exists then shout it from the rooftops, such an important message deserves to be heard. If that's how you really feel its dishonest not to. But if you have any doubts, no matter how small how can you be a believer, or are you a believer in "most of it" or a "good bit of it" or even a "little bit of it" they are all by definition agnostic.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 05:02 pm
@bob600,
There is a big difference between doubt and not knowing. Arella never said she had doubt. She said she just does not know for absolute certain that there is a God. She chooses to believe anyhow.

Just as you do not know if there isn't a God for absolute certainty. You just choose not to believe it.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 07:00 pm
@bob600,
bob600 wrote:

Hey Arella, don't include me in the "aren't likening it" crowd, if you KNOW God exists then shout it from the rooftops, such an important message deserves to be heard. If that's how you really feel its dishonest not to. But if you have any doubts, no matter how small how can you be a believer, or are you a believer in "most of it" or a "good bit of it" or even a "little bit of it" they are all by definition agnostic.
You are completely misunderstanding me. I have no doubts about God whatsoever. I said I cannot prove he exists and no one can prove he does not exist. I believe with all my heart that he does but I cannot give proof of it.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 9 Dec, 2010 07:01 pm
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

There is a big difference between doubt and not knowing. Arella never said she had doubt. She said she just does not know for absolute certain that there is a God. She chooses to believe anyhow.

Just as you do not know if there isn't a God for absolute certainty. You just choose not to believe it.
Said so much more eloquently than I could do. Yes!
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