Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:49 pm
-noun
1. the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 05:10 am
The benefits of softened water, in quality of life and savings, can be felt throughout your home.
Even people with only slightly hard water will notice a difference when they start using soft water.

* Water heating efficiencies may be increased by up to 29% with gas and 22% with electricity.
* Pipes don't clog due to mineral buildup increasing the plumbing systems life and performance.
* Soaps and detergents lather better and work more efficiently.
* Many appliances last longer, perform better and stay clean longer.
* Soap residue on clothes is reduced. Clothes look better and last longer.
* Soap scum and hard water spots are reduced - less time cleaning.
* Skin and hair rinse better for a cleaner look and feel. What a relief for dry itchy skin!
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 08:15 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
The benefits of softened water, in quality of life and savings, can be felt throughout your home.
Even people with only slightly hard water will notice a difference when they start using soft water.

* Water heating efficiencies may be increased by up to 29% with gas and 22% with electricity.
* Pipes don't clog due to mineral buildup increasing the plumbing systems life and performance.
* Soaps and detergents lather better and work more efficiently.
* Many appliances last longer, perform better and stay clean longer.
* Soap residue on clothes is reduced. Clothes look better and last longer.
* Soap scum and hard water spots are reduced - less time cleaning.
* Skin and hair rinse better for a cleaner look and feel. What a relief for dry itchy skin!

You won't see me disagreeing with any of that, nor will you see me calling spending money on a water softener an investment.

There is no way the softener is going to increase in valve.

Andy CWS wrote:
I seem to remember someone saying that a softener cannot be considered an investment. I would disagree with that notion.

I say:
-noun
1. the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.

The purchase of a water softener should be considered as a household preventive maintenance expense.

Also, the more someone pays for a softener doesn't make the water any softer.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 09:28 am
Gary Slusser wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
The benefits of softened water, in quality of life and savings, can be felt throughout your home.
Even people with only slightly hard water will notice a difference when they start using soft water.

* Water heating efficiencies may be increased by up to 29% with gas and 22% with electricity.
* Pipes don't clog due to mineral buildup increasing the plumbing systems life and performance.
* Soaps and detergents lather better and work more efficiently.
* Many appliances last longer, perform better and stay clean longer.
* Soap residue on clothes is reduced. Clothes look better and last longer.
* Soap scum and hard water spots are reduced - less time cleaning.
* Skin and hair rinse better for a cleaner look and feel. What a relief for dry itchy skin!



You won't see me disagreeing with any of that, nor will you see me calling spending money on a water softener an investment.


Then you don't understand ROI
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 05:07 pm
That would be Return on Investment.

Investment -noun
1. the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.

When someone buys a softener, there is no profitable return. No interest earned, no income (taxable or otherwise) and a softener certainly DOES NOT appreciate in value; they DEpreciate in value from the time they are installed if purchased online and usually immediately if purchased from a local dealer. The DEpreciation goes to a point where the owner may have to pay to get rid of it.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 10 Aug, 2007 05:21 pm
The Benefits accrued by investing in a quality softener that is professionally installed and serviced are the return on said investment.
These Benefits quickly cover the initial investment and, as long as you invested in a quality system and keep it serviced these benefits become profit.
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apollo74
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2007 07:18 pm
Rainsoft: a note form the inside
I took a job with rainsoft as an installer because I was despprate for work.
The deal is they pay you $50.00 a day and a "point" for everything you do. A point is $10.00. so for the whole package the installer makes roughly 30-40 bucks, plus the 50 bucks a day. Also you must go through a background check that YOU have to pay for, in order to do any job that comes from Home Depot. If you are doing a job that is from the salesman that you agreed to only to get the bastard out of your house at 10:00 PM, that guy does not need to have a background check.

Ok so lets think about this....

You have 3 days to cancell your order. That is why after you chased the salesman out and signed on the dotted line and told him whatever he wanted to hear to get him out of your house, you have an appointment for the very next day. Did you expect the install to be that fast? Were you able to give your work eough notice that you had to stay home to let this guy in? Or did you schedule for 7:00 the next day after you get off of work?

They schedule for the next day, because its less likley you will cancel once it is instaled. and because of that , there is no logistics involved. So, the installer spends his day driving all over the state, maybe doing 2 installs a day, because they cant schedule a week out and do areas per day which would allow them to maybe do 3, 4 , maybe 5 intalls a day. Therefore the installer makes no money. and it is a scam to the installers. If an installer comes to your house at 5-6-7:00, he will not get home if hes lucky untill midnight.

What incentive is there for the installer to give a **** at all? The company I worked for, has 1 installer that is background checked for Home Depot, the other is a convicted fellon. You want that guy in your house?

I worked this job for 2 days, and I cannot do it for the work involved vs time/money, but also Im not a scumbag and cant be a part of the scam process to good people. I quit with no money, I am selling possesions so I can eat, and I still cant find work. But I tell you I am happier that I am not screwing honest folk over. Id rather starve than do that to people.

Another thing: I have been reading a ton of negative stuff on this company, and I have made some more observations that are consistent with my 2 DAYS of experience.

After your 3 days are up, forget about customer service... I have walked in to the office in the middle of the day to see my manager giving customers attitude and not caring about their problems, because as far as he is concerned, he made his money already. I guess he was pissed off because the caller interupted him while he was looking for prostitutes on Craigs List.

Also, Read the warranty papaerwork.. If you are still going to give them a chance, call and demand that the salesman come to the appointment armed with a copy of the warranty. I read one at an install, and it is written to protect the company. It is in fact, written like a warranty of say a hotel in Monopoly would be written.


My advice is to run fast and far from RainSoft.. It is not worth it to the employees or your family.

Nuff said
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 19 Sep, 2007 07:23 pm
Re: Rainsoft: a note form the inside
apollo74 wrote:



My advice is to run fast and far from RainSoft.. It is not worth it to the employees or your family.

Nuff said


Well said! +1
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2007 11:08 am
Re: Rainsoft: a note form the inside
H2O_MAN wrote:
apollo74 wrote:
My advice is to run fast and far from RainSoft.. It is not worth it to the employees or your family.

Nuff said


Well said! +1


I say Ecowater too. Hydroquad is another.

But h20man, you say you are an Ecowater installer, not a dealer.... you were an installer for Rainsoft too right? And you say you install all over the SE; all over GA and in FL and SC... Sounds like you learned from Rainsoft... you really don't go out and install, you have salespeople and/or installers working for you.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2007 11:19 am
Re: Rainsoft: a note form the inside
Gary Slusser wrote:


But h20man, you say you are an Ecowater installer, not a dealer.... you were an installer for Rainsoft too right? And you say you install all over the SE; all over GA and in FL and SC... Sounds like you learned from Rainsoft... you really don't go out and install, you have salespeople and/or installers working for you.


Folks, this is an excellent example of why you should not drink the cheap stuff.
People that drink like this individual hallucinate and make up sh!t as they go.


Please don't be like this guy -
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lancelotweb
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2007 08:20 pm
I just agreed to buy a Rain Soft System - SHould I back out?
My wife and I just had the 3 hour demo from the Rain Soft salesman. He was very nice and not pushy at all, but I have a few major concerns. First of all, we want to improve the quality of our water for drinking and for cleaning. But the concerns are:

1) Is $4200 for a family of 5 too much? If not, how much is a good price?

2) Will this truly improve our water? We have read many negative reviews of water actually getting worse.

3) What systems are the best ones? Or is this all a scam?

After reading a huge majority of reviews that were mostly negative on RainSoft and their competitors we are convinced that we should cancel the contract tomorrow as it is within our 3 day window.

Are we missing something?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2007 08:24 pm
lancelotweb, you owe to yourself and your family to contact you local EcoWater dealer as a second option.
You will see a system that is vastly superior to anything RainSoft has.

HTH ~
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lancelotweb
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2007 08:30 pm
What to look for
I am not confident that I even know what to look for with a system. We have a local ecowater dealer (I just checked their web site). But is an RO system better? How do I know what kind of system I need?

As far as RainSoft goes, are you concurring that canceling the RainSoft deal is the right move?
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harrorainsoft
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2007 11:34 pm
RAINSOFT SUCKS!!!!

I'm in your boat lancelotweb. I bought my house a few years ago and there is a rainsoft system in here. It's broken. Can't find anyone in a 60 mile radius to fix this damn thing. There used to be a rainsoft dealer about 10 miles away, but the are out of business. Hmm... wonder why? I've called over 10 plumbers and none of them will come look or it will cost me about $70 or more for a service call. No thanks.

I called EcoWater and a super nice guy came to my house and introduced me to the system. I think I'm sold, but I have a few more questions.

You can read my thread if you are interested. "Help! Raindoft no longer working! Sad"
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 07:04 am
Re: What to look for
lancelotweb wrote:


As far as RainSoft goes, are you concurring that canceling the RainSoft deal is the right move?


YES!
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:18 am
Send the cancellation notice by certified mail with a return receipt notice. Then follow up with a phone call to them.

Then learn how to size a softener and how they work.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:25 am
Gary Slusser wrote:
learn how to size a softener and how they work.


Why? It's not rocket science!
Ion exchange is decades old technology ... what kind of smoke a mirrors do you use to con people out of their hard earned money?

Leave the sizing to your local H2O specialist.
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Gary Slusser
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:36 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Gary Slusser wrote:
learn how to size a softener and how they work.


Leave the sizing to your local H2O specialist.


That's what all these people posting about problems etc. with Rainsoft did... any many of the out of business Rainsoft dealers are now Ecowater dealers selling the glorified and highly overpriced version of the Kenmore, GE, North Star, mortonsalt.com and Whirlpool called the Ecowater.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2007 09:50 am
Avoid faceless online vendors selling overpriced glorified crap... I mean clap... crack.... clack...
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DrinkCleanNoww
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Oct, 2007 11:24 pm
RainSoft Purchase
Well I just signed the contract. To be honest after reading all the reviews, I want to call back and cancel. After reading even more reviews I decided that I am in a position to use and benefit from the positives. The negatives that I reviewed seemed to be more on price and customer service. Which I got a great price and a nice sales man. Yes he did stay late, yes we did go over the literature, but we also pushed him along and told him to cut to the chase.
Its funny because we did get the seemingly common story of the out of box display "never been used" and he did call his boss.
He started at $7400 and we got him down to $4740 out the door
with that we got:
Whole House system The absolute best systems they had to offer
12months 0% interest
200lbs of Brine (Salt Blocks)
AirMaster Ultra (Air purifier system) priced around $1600
RainSoft Amazon Silver Series
RainSoft Ultrefiner Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water System
(supposed to clean everything up)
Installation Air Conditioner and Drinking system $328
Rainsoft 5 year soap Package $1290
Americana Membership $1395
(8 2night 3day vacations FREE per year for 5 years and other coupons)
Prestige Dining Club Membership $199
(Present at participating restaurants and receive discounts)
Marketing Promotion $930 (they paid this towards the price to have their sign in our yard for 14days)
Gift Card to Home Depot $25
Not to mention all the companies that back up RainSofts system. I saw 3 companies that will refund your money back if you are not satisfied. So thats 4 ways to get your money back RainSoft and their 3 other Strong supporting sponsors.
I think I got a great deal, I guess we will have to see. It came to about $83/month but we plan on paying it off within the 12months to save the money.
I hope this will be a good experience and I hope all of you out there also have a great experience on whatever water system you end up with.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19439793/
Check your drinking water grade, my city received a D, with the last 19 cities out of the 100 graded.
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