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How Should a Christian Act?

 
 
Bartikus
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 02:27 am
talk72000 wrote:
Jesus is no messaiah but Lucifer.

Reference: King James Version

Isaiah 14:
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart,
a) I will ascend into heaven,
b) I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
c) I will sit also upon the mount of the Congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 d)I will ascend above the heights of the clouds:
e)I will be like the most High.


COMPARISON:

OLD TESTAMENT
1) Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
(Note: Lucifer is Latin for bright.)

NEW TESTAMENT
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. (How arrogant, naming himself after such a lustrous heavenly body!)

OLD TESTAMENT
2) Isaiah 14:13 I will ascend into heaven


NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 24:51
And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven. Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

OLD TESTAMENT
3) Isaiah 14:13
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:

The stars of God are the Israelites. (See Numbers 24:17 "...there shall come a Star out of Jacob,...")

Genesis 15:5
And he brought him forth abroad, and said,
Look now towards heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him,
So shall thy seed be.

Deuteronomy 10:22
Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons, and now the LORD thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.

NEW TESTAMENT
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them,
Verily I say unto you,
That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his the glory, ye also shall sit upon thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

OLD TESTAMENT
4) Isaiah 14:13
I will sit also upon the mount of the Congregation, in the sides of the north.
[Note:
a) Mt. Ophel, just south of the Temple Mount, has been identified as Mt. Zion. Jesus as a child sat in the Temple.
b) Location of the Last Supper is just north of (Mt. Zion?)]

Psalm 48:2
Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

NEW TESTAMENT
Luke 2:46
And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

Matthew 26:20
Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

Luke 22:14
And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

5) Isaiah 14:14
I will be like the most High.

God says He is the first and the last in the following passages:-

OLD TESTAMENT
Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

NEW TESTAMENT
Jesus says that he is the first and the last in the following passages:-

Revelation 1:11
Saying, I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and untoLaodicea.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

God's garments are sprinkled with blood in the following passage:-

OLD TESTAMENT
Isaiah 63:3
I have trodden the wine press alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

Jesus' garment is dipped in blood in the following passage:-

NEW TESTAMENT
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

OLD TESTAMENT
In Isaiah, new heavens and new earth are mentioned in the following passage:-

Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

NEW TESTAMENT
In Revelation, a new heaven and a new earth are mentioned in the following passage:-

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away: and there was no more sea.

OLD TESTAMENT
God is the bridegroom of His people in the following:-

Isaiah 62:5
For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

NEW TESTAMENT
Jesus is the bridegroom of his followers in the following:-

Matthew 9:15
And Jesus said unto them, Can the chilren of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and shall they fast.

Mark 2:19.
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.
20. But the days will come, while the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Luke 5:34.
And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridegroom fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
35. But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Revelation 19:7.
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
9. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Revelation 20:9.
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Isaiah 14:19
"But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,..."
Note: The image of Jesus on the cross confirms it for there is no gravesite of him.

Jesus fits the descriptions of Lucifer almost to a T.
So is Jesus God or Lucifer?


You can only know the difference by their fruits.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 03:09 am
Oh yes, the fruits:

The first Christian schism occured when the Roman Catholic Church broke from the Greek Orthodox Church. Out of the Roman Catholic Church came Arianism, Gnosticism and a fierce war. Then there the wars between Popes calling each other Anti-Christ. Then there were the Templars who were driven out of France. Then the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Ghettoization of Jews and expulsion from Spain. The Martin Luther 95 theses. Europe engulfed in Catholic-Protestant Wars. The Jewish Holocaust. Jesus was no Prince of Peace.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 03:24 am
I guess if you were God.....all those who considered themselves in any way to Jesus would be what?........fruitless.

How about those who don't? Are they without divisions and wars. Does everybody else love one another?

How about the amish?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 03:42 am
Isaiah 42:1-9
Jesus' life was foreshadowed by the prophet Isaiah

Isaiah 49:6
God's salvation would reach the ends of the earth

Isaiah 53:3
The Messiah would suffer and be rejected

Isaiah 53:5
God's servant would be wounded and whipped

Isaiah 53:7
God's servant would be silent before His accusers

Isaiah 53:9
God's servant would be buried in a rich man's tomb

Isaiah 53:12
God's servant would be crucified with criminals

Isaiah 61:1-2
Isaiah foreshadows the ministry of Jesus

Jeremiah 23:3-6
The Messiah will appear after the Jews return to Israel

Daniel 9:24-26
Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected

Micah 5:2
The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem

Zechariah 9:9
The Messiah would enter Jerusalem while riding on a donkey

Zechariah 11:12-13
Zechariah foreshadowed the betrayal of Jesus for 30 pieces of silver
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 04:37 am
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 08:10 am
Get a life
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 10:01 am
Well talk i guess you pretty much have your heart and mind set. Let me ask you why you are telling me this?

How do you interpret the Bible?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 10:01 am
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is not Lucifer. Someone else alredy tried the same argument you are doing, talk.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 10:33 am
"Jesus did not "honor" his family."

Wouldn't that be Mary and Joseph's call? Or have you decided what is honorable to them for them? You are judging from the outside looking in. Do you know what was in the heart of Mary or Jesus? Or are you just projecting what you would feel onto them?

I might not believe you bring honor to your parents but.....I have enough sense to let them decide. If your parents are'nt sure....maybe we let God.......not you......decide.

How'd that be? Don't be scared to only know what is in your own heart. If you don't.......i believe you will.

Jesus destroyed Jews in the holocaust?

If a Jew commits a crime to another Jew or gentile......Is God accountable? I did'nt think to blame God everytime a palestinian child was killed by an Israeli tank nor do I consider all Jews killers because of it.

I believe God is able to judge rightly. Don't you?

I think people of all sorts have just what it takes to kill off each other.

Do you blame the devil for every evil committed? Can we agree that all of mankind falls short of God's glory? None of us are without sin?

If Jesus is who you say he is........what will the Christians end be? What will Jesus's end be?

If God be for you and what you say.....will he not reward and punish accordingly to his righteousness? Will he be able to do so without human intervention?

Or does he need you to do so?

That's exactly what Hitler, Osama, many many others think.

God does'nt need any of us.........and the way things are going in the world.......I'm not sure why he would even want us. I guess he has very high hopes.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 10:54 am
talk72000 wrote:
Don't spin the verses. Print out the actual words and yiou (sic) willsee (sic) that they don't match.

John 4:25-26
The woman saith unto him, I know that Mes-si'-as cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Jesus flatly affirmed to the woman that he was the messiah.

Matthew 16:20
Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ

Why? Was he scared?

One could not seriously consider Jesus as a messiah for he did not allow his disciples to let any Jewish person know he was the messiah. How could the Jewish people follow him if he was hidden? Can the Jewish people be faulted for rejecting Jesus for what he would not let them know who he was?


John 19:
26. "...Woman behold thy son!" (Even on the cross Jesus disrespectfully refers to her mother as "Woman"!)
27. "...Behold thy mother!..." (Here Jesus tells the disciple that his own mother is now the disciple's.)

He showed complete disrespect for his mother by calling her Woman! . . .
You think that by an avalanche of words you can bury the truth? Let's take just your first two Misrepresentations:

The woman in the first case was a Samaritan. Jesus' behavior towards Jews and non Jews was different for a reason which would be apparent to you if you had done your homework.

In the second case, I find it commendable that Jesus made sure that someone he trusted would see to the welfare of his mother.

So where's the beef?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 11:02 am
You said Jesus destroyed Jews in the holocaust.

Ok Jesus was not a Nazi, a catholic, a christian, a buddhist, an african....

none of these things.

Jesus was a Jew.

I would not assign your condemnation of Jesus to all Jews nor would I assign God's glorification of Jesus to all Jews. Would you?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 11:37 am
Bartikus wrote:
You said Jesus destroyed Jews in the holocaust.

Ok Jesus was not a Nazi, a catholic, a christian, a buddhist, an african....

none of these things.

Jesus was a Jew.

I would not assign your condemnation of Jesus to all Jews nor would I assign God's glorification of Jesus to all Jews. Would you?
Right.

The holocaust was perpetrated by nominal Lutherans and Catholics, mostly -

Not Christians - and certainly not by Jesus.
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queen annie
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 11:42 am
I think that there was a goodly participation by a certain class of Jews, as well. Those of the banker families.

Man's evil is not God's evil.

Even most of man's 'good' is ultimately evil since it is done for selfish reasons.

And even God's 'evil' is actually good, as it is never done for the benefit of one individual or group, but rather for the whole world.

And who are we to judge?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 11:47 am
queenie; Do you think we should bring back this topic? http://able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1555532#1555532 After all, Frank is such an agreeable guy.
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queen annie
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 02:14 pm
I'm game, Neo, unless you are kidding.

I've got lots of good stuff for that topic.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 04:04 pm
I must apologize. I shouldn't be doing this on Christmas Day may be later, even though I am not religious. I do not hate Christians, just can't stand the Thumpers who want to force everyone into their right wing Christian Mandate.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 04:06 pm
talk,

I can understand that. I may be a Christian but I am not a Christianity at all costs Christian. Have a wonderful day.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 04:40 pm
queen annie wrote:
I think that there was a goodly participation by a certain class of Jews, as well. Those of the banker families.


This sounds like a slur. Do you have any evidence to support this statement?
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 05:05 pm
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/jesus/jesusaccount.html
An interesting read. Sometimes, His political activism is forgotten. I've seen some great documentaries on Discovery and the History channel.

Even though this writer speaks of Jesus as if He was just a man, the events are documented. I didn't realize to the extent that the poor, sick, lame, etc were thrown out of the church.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 25 Dec, 2005 07:49 pm
Lady Lash,

I wonder if Queen Annie means the ones that would be in the killing camps tht virtually turned on some to stay alive. Like the ones that would become trustees(?).
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