Anyone else remember the "They hate our freedoms" statements by Bush?
ralpheb wrote:
But, please do understand that there are areas that I feel should be avoided.
Well, that's the biggest load of crap I've read today. It's attitudes like yours that give the government license to do anything they want without consequence. Every aspect of our government needs to be exposed, examined and beat with a stick to get the bugs out. Our soldiers are being killed over there for and insignificant cause that was both unnecessary and unwarranted. So everyone should jump all over this! Don't let it fizzle out like everything else.
roverroad wrote:ralpheb wrote:
But, please do understand that there are areas that I feel should be avoided.
Well, that's the biggest load of crap I've read today. It's attitudes like yours that give the government license to do anything they want without consequence. Every aspect of our government needs to be exposed, examined and beat with a stick to get the bugs out. Our soldiers are being killed over there for and insignificant cause that was both unnecessary and unwarranted. So everyone should jump all over this! Don't let it fizzle out like everything else.
RR, I think that Ralph is saying that both my, and McG's statements where inappropriate and that they shouldn't have been said. I agree with him. In terms of backing off my dissent, that won't happen until the problems are corrected.
squinney wrote:Anyone else remember the "They hate our freedoms" statements by Bush?
Yea, ain't that a winner!!
squinney wrote:Anyone else remember the "They hate our freedoms" statements by Bush?
I guess they and he have something in common then.
roverroad
To denigrate the members of our armed forces because you disagree with the policies of our elected government, in a word is unconscionable. They are putting their lives on the line to do their sworn duty.
What, rover, have you done lately to presume you have the right to attack our government? How have you preserved the rights of the people, other that spouting off?
It seems the biggest thing you can do is go to an anti-govt rally and get all emotional. That should protect our freedoms since it is what created them.
Imagine if the British had been able to spy on the planners of the Boston Tea Party, terrorists that they were. This country exists because of anti-govt rallies like mustering on the green in Concord and Lexington and refusing to disperse when told to by the military arm of the govt.
ralpheb wrote:What, rover, have you done lately to presume you have the right to attack our government? How have you preserved the rights of the people, other that spouting off?
I don't know what to say to this one.
You aren't defending the rights of others when you tell them they shouldn't presume to have rights?
ralpheb wrote:What, rover, have you done lately to presume you have the right to attack our government? How have you preserved the rights of the people, other that spouting off?
Well I'm a citizen for one, that gives me every rite. And how does defying the president attack the troops? Never once have I attacked the troops. I feel sorry for them, and I appreciate their jobs, but I'm not going to be ignorant and say that what they are doing is a great thing. They need to be brought home.
Air Force Pilot Accused of Anti-Bush Graffiti
The Associated Press
Friday 16 December 2005
Denver - The Air Force Reserve plans to discharge a lieutenant colonel accused of defacing cars that had pro-Bush bumper stickers, the military said Friday.
Lt. Col. Alexis Fecteau, a pilot with 500 combat hours in the first Persian Gulf war and the Balkans, is charged with criminal mischief for allegedly using paint stripper to write a profanity about Bush in 18-inch-high letters on cars at Denver International Airport.
The cars had bumper stickers supporting President Bush and conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh.
Jim Miller, a spokesman for the Air Force Reserve Command at Robins Air Force Base, Ga., said the command plans to begin the process of giving Fecteau an administrative discharge. He said Fecteau does not face any military punishment.
Neither Fecteau nor his lawyer, Patrick Mulligan, immediately returned calls. Mulligan has said Fecteau would plead innocent.
Fecteau is charged with 13 counts of criminal mischief, five of them felonies because the damage to five vehicles was estimated at more than $500 each.
Police said the vehicles were damaged between January and July and a video camera recorded Fecteau damaging a vehicle.
ralpheb wrote:What, rover, have you done lately to presume you have the right to attack our government? How have you preserved the rights of the people, other that spouting off?
The fact that he is a citizen of the United States gives him the right to attack our government. By spouting off, he works to preserve the rights of the people. Dissent is every bit as important as agreement. If something is wrong, it is our duty as citizens to correct that wrong! This is what makes us a free people, and keeps things in check from going horriblly awry in any direction.
You cannot assume that just because we spout off that we haven't earned that right as well. I paid quite dearly in VietNam for that very right!! I intend to use it liberally (pun intended
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I guess some soldiers can't be programmed along with the masses to fight a bad war. I don't like the way he went about it, but oh well. He had to do something...
What he did was pretty foolish. To put himself in a position to be charged with a felony
Stevepax wrote:We created the terrorist AlQueda, only we called them freedom fighters at the time because they were using our tactics that we taught them on the Russians. We however don't care for it much when they turn around and use it on us!
Please substantiate that statement. How did we create al Qaeda, in your view?
roverroad wrote:Boy, this president is surrounded by leakers. Seems like there are people close to him that want to see him go down.
Perhaps the problem was an awful lot of folks knew about the program, inluding legislators and judiciary.
Ticomaya wrote:Stevepax wrote:We created the terrorist AlQueda, only we called them freedom fighters at the time because they were using our tactics that we taught them on the Russians. We however don't care for it much when they turn around and use it on us!
Please substantiate that statement. How did we create al Qaeda, in your view?
It's a tired old story, look it up. I'm tired of explaining it to you guys. I'm in no mood to play games with you Tico. We did, you know it, case closed!
LINK
Seems there's more people alarmed by it than saying it's okay.
This article mentions, as did NPR today, that Bush was angry during this radio address. That seems to be his MO when cornered.
