America... Spying on Americans

@okie,

okie wrote:

Compiling an enemies list is just creepy, the guy is strange, and not to be trusted.

well damn, just like my favourite creepy president dick nixon

if this is true, i'm beginning to like this obama fellow, all the creepiness with out that disturbing upper lip sweat

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i hope canada doesn't do this, i'd hate for them to find this post from another forum

djjd62 wrote:

they're just politicians, say what you want about them, my prime minister Stephen Harper rapes puppies and eats children for breakfast

(mind you if he did those things it would at least make him interesting, he might be the most white bread person on the planet, he's an economist for fucks sake)

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

okie wrote:
Compiling an enemies list is just creepy, the guy is strange, and not to be trusted.

well damn, just like my favourite creepy president dick nixon

if this is true, i'm beginning to like this obama fellow, all the creepiness with out that disturbing upper lip sweat

Obama makes Nixon look more like a choir boy every day. Fact is, Nixon cut his teeth in politics by going after Communists, while Obama cut his teeth on hanging around them and having them mentor him, and yet today he acts like he really admires them, example the Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.

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http://conservativeamerican.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bigbrother.bmp

http://conservativeamerican.org/dems-libs-socialists/dems-libs-socialists-obama/obama-spying-on-americans/

The reason Obama is not to be trusted is that his "wiretapping" or surveillance activities has more to do with compiling enemies lists, not catching terrorists.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Compiling an enemies list is just creepy

if you feel that way, you need to study American political history a bit. You'll find out that a lot of politicians are "just creepy" if that's your definition.

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@ehBeth,

just study any successful endeavor, businesses compile enemy (competitor) lists, try to find out suppliers, pricing

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@ehBeth,

EhBeth, the point is that there are differences. Liberals attacked George Bush for tracking down terrorist communications, and painted him as doing things all illegal and creepy, the guy was a criminal, on and on. But if a president compiles enemies lists and compiles information for his own political purposes, oh no, that is harmless, look at it in historical context. You know, I said the same thing to defend Bush, but the difference is my argument held water, because of the motivation behind what Bush did, it was for national security. I mentioned Abe Lincoln for arresting reporters for sedition. I repeatedly pointed out FDR throwing tens of thousands of Japanese American citizens in concentration camps simply because they had the wrong heritage, not because they were attempting to communicate with anyone in Japan, and so forth, but the libs would have none of my argument, they passed it off as having no relation to Bush. And to this day, Bush is a devil but FDR is a saint, a virtual idol of their Democrat Party.

The point is that the president has a duty and he has special powers to protect the country. But clearly a president does not have a duty, nor does he have special powers to compile enemies lists for political purpose and use. And if any president does this, he should be impeached immediately.

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@okie,

but things change, attitudes adjust, virtually every country had some form of interment when fighting wars in the past, but nobody rounded up muslims during this last war

instead they spied on them (and who knows who else), while it's great they didn't fill camps with american muslims, i see the wiretapping as a sort of virtual interment

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@djjd62,

What nonsense, djjd62. Virtual "interment"???? I suppose so, if you want to communicate with terror cells overseas, that might tend to scare you a bit, yes, I agree.

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I don't have an opinion about this cookie business, it seems to me to be another case of certain branches of conservatives trying to hatch up sinister motives, but I could be wrong.

However, from what I can tell, there is a little bit of misinformation as usual in the telling of this issue.

Quote:

But the current ban on cookies, according to senior OMB officials, applies only to federal agencies and not third parties. That means that a visitor to http://www.whitehouse.gov, for example, isn't tracked by the government, but information about a user who clicks on a YouTube video on the site could be tracked by Google, according to a source at the company with knowledge of the partnership with the Obama administration.

source

I am not sure I understand the way it was before and what has (or will be) changed now.

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@okie,

That has to be one of the stupidest stories I have ever seen okie..

A2K records more about you than the Federal government ever will or can by enabling cookies.
Don't want the Federal government to leave cookies, then turn them off. Simple and easy. 4 mouse clicks and less than 2 seconds to do it.
Don't want the Federal government to know what your IP address is, then use a proxy server. Simple and easy. 5 minutes of googling will get you all the information to do it. Firefox even has an add on that does proxy for you automatically. If they can do it in China to avoid their government censorship... I guess it only proves that commies are smarter than conservatives.

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@okie,

the thing is, we don't who they were listening to

and i didn't say that it was a bad thing, i don't really have a problem with them listening to bad guys, but you don't really know who they're listening to, you have to trust them, and frankly, they're governments, not what i'd consider trustworthy

i guess i should have said covert interment, you can't see who they're targeting

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@revel,

A little misinformation?

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The change would mean when you log on to a federal government website, the “cookie” software would remember your “IP address” (an address specifically linked to your computer) and would track and record what you did when you visited.

How about the idiot doesn't even know how cookies work.

Cookies are put on YOUR computer. "Cookie" software doesn't record your IP address at the site you get the cookie from.

Most contacts to any site are logged with their IP address. As to how long the logs are kept can vary but if they weren't logged it would be impossible to prevent cyber attacks. I doubt you can connect to any federal website and not have your IP logged because they have to be able to respond to DOS and attempted break ins usually by just blocking that IP address.

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@parados,

Parados, you illustrate a point. In other words, average people that don't have the time or take all the measures to avoid being tracked, because they have nothing to hide, except perhaps criticizing the president because of freedom of speech, such as people that trust their government, they deserve to be tracked and catalogued on some politician's enemy list becauese they happened to criticize Sir Obama, but since terrorists and criminals know how to avoid detection, fine no problem. Sort of like the gun issue, violate the rights of gun owners, to heck with tracking down and prosecuting to the full letter of the law the criminals that use guns to commit crimes. You have helped explain liberal policies alot more. Thanks, Parados.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Parados, you illustrate a point. In other words, average people that don't have the time or take all the measures to avoid being tracked, because they have nothing to hide, except perhaps criticizing the president because of freedom of speech, such as people that trust their government, they deserve to be tracked and catalogued on some politician's enemy list becauese they happened to criticize Sir Obama, but since terrorists and criminals know how to avoid detection, fine no problem. Sort of like the gun issue, violate the rights of gun owners, to heck with tracking down and prosecuting to the full letter of the law the criminals that use guns to commit crimes. You have helped explain liberal policies alot more. Thanks, Parados.

You don't have any actual evidence that an 'enemies list' is being made; at all. You don't understand the first thing about Cookies or internet tracking, and neither did the original correspondent. This whole thing is YET ANOTHER bullshit scare story which appeared on right-wing sites, and the funny thing is that you guys - predictably - just lap it up.

If I didn't have a conscience, I would get into the Breitbart business of straight making **** up about Liberals and selling it to Conservatives who are hungry for ANYTHING negative about the prez. It's a growth industry, apparently.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

There's a natural demand for it too! Heck, you can reap millions from such a site. Go for it!

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**** obama in his ******* fuckhole

<waits patiently for obama's stormtroopers to come to my door>

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@djjd62,

If you really want Obama stormtroopers at your door, you have to make a life threatening statement against the president.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

You don't have any actual evidence that an 'enemies list' is being made; at all. You don't understand the first thing about Cookies or internet tracking, and neither did the original correspondent. This whole thing is YET ANOTHER bullshit scare story which appeared on right-wing sites, and the funny thing is that you guys - predictably - just lap it up.

Well, we had evidence he was compiling identities of people that opposed his heatlh care bill, remember that? He encouraged people to identify and report his opposition. You are right, I do not know all of what Obama is doing in this regard, but there is enough evidence that he is up to no good. I will certainly be watching this issue and attempting to learn more about it. One thing for sure, libs and Obama followers don't care, and probably never will, it will be up to conservatives to atttempt to preserve our freedoms. One thing is for sure, this issue is very important and worth watching, because we have a guy that is not trustworthy as president. That is my opinion, and millions of peoples opinions, and we do not intend on letting this guy off the hook in regard to violating our privacy and rights. If you really want to know what the right to privacy might apply to, it would be something like this, not abortion, cyclops. We should be free of unreasonable search and seizure of our persons, which includes what we own and participate in and so forth, it is none of Obama's business, period, you got that, cyclops?

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If I didn't have a conscience, I would get into the Breitbart business of straight making **** up about Liberals and selling it to Conservatives who are hungry for ANYTHING negative about the prez. It's a growth industry, apparently.

Cycloptichorn

Why not, the libs have been doing that for years about Bush. In fact, Dan Rather made up a pretty big story on the eve of the election, which was an effort to alter a federal election, which is a felony, and to this day we are waiting for the perpetrator of the forged documents to be identified and prosecuted as they should have been. I am not holding my breath about that. Fact is, the entire 8 years of the Bush administration was spent by libs spinning up stories about Bush, even including the idea that he brought down the towers, which is utter and complete nonsense as most everything else was as well. Some of the stuff conservatives are accused of is so completely weird it is hard to believe, example teenybone even accused Palin of being a draft dodger of all things, now that was one of the biggest whoppers I have heard yet.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

If you really want Obama stormtroopers at your door, you have to make a life threatening statement against the president.

according to

okie wrote:

they deserve to be tracked and catalogued on some politician's enemy list becauese they happened to criticize Sir Obama

all i have to do is criticize

obama is a halfrican non-american, left wing marxist muslim terrorist

Twisted Evil

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