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I Say We Duke It Out!

 
 
Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 03:58 pm
neologist wrote:
At the risk of being recognized as the self serving dweeb I am, I humbly refer others to this earlier thread. :wink:


No, not a self serving dweeb. More a necromancer.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:01 pm
Setanta wrote:
By the way, Thomas, it would appear from your analysis that you subscribe to the school of thought which posits that disagreement with someone's thesis constitutes insult. How quaint of you.

No Setanta, I subscribe to the school of thought that insult is a matter of style, not substance. But I won't get into this any deeper, as I gathered the following from our previous disagreements: 1) You won't take my word on what behavior is insulting and what isn't. 2) Your pride will probably not allow you to admit that a remark of yours was in bad taste, certainly not online. 3) I don't believe you are seriously interested to find out what people find offensive about your posting style, and whether or not nimh just had a point. But in the unlikely case that you do care, I suggest you discuss it offline with someone whose word you will take -- ehBeth would seem like a good idea.

And that's all I'm going to say about that.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:04 pm
Setanta wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
We are all practicing democracy by voting.


Ostensibly--i won't burden this thread by pointing out that we do not live in a demoncracy, but rather in a democratic republic. There are profound differences in those two systems of government.


Actually, you did burden the thread with such. Smile

Your sudden retreat into pedantry does not do you or your position justice.












"demoncracy?" Shocked Is this a typo, or a Freudian slip???? Laughing
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AngeliqueEast
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:06 pm
LOL too funny
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:13 pm
Here we go again.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:14 pm
Thomas wrote:
And that's all I'm going to say about that.


Habibi had his hissy fit because i described his argument as sophistry. You are completely correct in your assumption that i have no interest in your arguments from style--and in fact, i accord you and Habibi more respect than i do most others here. I don't intend to take your advice because i consider to be every bit as pompous and self-serving and you and Habibi have accused me of being.

As for the statement above, would that this were so . . . although i doubt it . . .
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:16 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Actually, you did burden the thread with such.


No, i merely mentioned the difference--i did not discuss the difference.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:25 pm
Setanta Wrote:

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When you reduce an argument to simple terms which are a false representation of the argument, you are exhibiting the fallacy of reduction to absurdity. That is what you have been doing here. You continue to avoid describing the point at which you no longer accept separation of chruch and state. You continue to avoid answering the question of how freedom from religion in any way infringes on your free exercise of religion. I submit that you attempt to construe this as a simple difference of preferences because you either cannot or will not answer those two questions. The positions are not equivalent.


Look Setanta. I have answered those questions. I told you I am for separation of church and state but would like some choices to be elective. I told you if you were to constrain me to my home and church only to practice my religion you are infringing on my rights. So, yes, I have answered your question numerous times.

Setanta Wrote:

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Don't play stupid games--don't throw out questions to which you don't want answers. I base my vote on my best judgment and the laws which constitute the social contract.


Oh, more rules. No rehetorical questions because Setanta doesn't like it. And I also base my vote on my best judgment and blah, blah blah too.

Setanta Wrote:

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Not necessarily--there are many things which i consider harmless which are illegal. There are many things which i consider harmful which are legal. I accept that condition, and my vote on any issue or for any office is conditioned by that understanding. If your vote is rendered on such a simplistic basis, you are doing your society a disservice.


Well, when I vote, I base my vote on what I think is the right thing to do and I don't think anyone can ask more of anyone else.

Setanta Wrote:

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I wouldn't care if you did. I have nowhere complained of the basis upon which you vote--this is a strawman.


Hmmm. Guess I misunderstood you and others about how you and they don't like my decisions being made on the basis of my religion.

Setanta Wrote:

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That's just as well, since you have never displayed in these fora the intellectual equipment necessary to understand the basis upon which i view the social contract and my part in it. Perhaps you find that statement offensive--i hope so, it was in retaliation for your snotty comment about whether in fact i do vote. You get out of such discussions what you put into them.


I don't find the statement offensive. I find you offensive. You seem to go out of your way to point out how much more intelligent you are than anyone else. And that was not meant as a snotty comment. Again, you put motives when there were none. I merely stated a fact. No intent behind it at all.

Setanta Wrote:

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It's not hard to grasp that you are trying to wiggle out of a tight spot by reducing this argument to the absurd proposition that the imposition of religion in public is a preference equivalent to an objection to such imposition. However, this is not the case. This is the heart of your attempt to reduce this debate to an absurdity.


I am not trying to wiggle out of anything. I answer questions to the best of my ability and honestly. You just will not accept the fact that we are doing the same thing. So what? I know we are and so do many others. You want what you want and I want what I want. The only difference is I and others will admit it when you won't.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:26 pm
Setanta wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Actually, you did burden the thread with such.


No, i merely mentioned the difference--i did not discuss the difference.

Now that you mention it ....
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:26 pm
Setanta wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Actually, you did burden the thread with such.


No, i merely mentioned the difference--i did not discuss the difference.


You did not discuss the difference. You did "burden this thread by pointing out that" they are different.


Generally you are not this humorless....
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:29 pm
I think it is such an important point of contention that it deserves its own thread.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:35 pm
Divide-and-conquer ... great idea, edgar.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:54 pm
I suggest as a title for the thread "The gravitas that only the seriously smart can understand".

Maybe it will be so engrossing to those compelled to participate that they will go on into 2006 taking verbal chunks out of each other and will leave those not fortunate enough to be so seriously intellectual the hell alone.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 04:58 pm
Little defensive there, snood - no need for feelings of inadequacy.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 05:02 pm
I don't believe anybody on the thread lacks the ability to understand. It is more a question of what some believe than of comprehension, and charging in.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 05:09 pm
I think it's been stated pretty plainly (in other threads if not this one) that some lack the same intellect as others? I mean, c'mon, let's be honest here.
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Questioner
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 05:10 pm
snood wrote:
I like butter


Same here.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 05:11 pm
Questioner wrote:
snood wrote:
I like butter


Same here.


Mee Three
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 05:13 pm
Anybody being dishonest here?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 8 Dec, 2005 05:15 pm
Well, I didn't tell the entire truth.









































I like peanut butter.
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