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O'Reilly - "Very Secret Plan to Diminish Christianity"

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 17 Dec, 2005 11:19 pm
Stevepax wrote:
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Stevepax wrote:
I looked up Plano last night. I was going to make some kind of smart ass remark just to tease Finn. Frankly it sounds pretty nice, if you want to live in Texas. I lived in Dallas for a short time, and it wasn't my cup of tea, but it sounded pretty great!


Dallas and North Texas in general is not necessarily my cup of tea either, but, unfortunately, I'm not in a position to live anywhere I please.

But there is really only one reason the area ain't my cup of tea: The topography. It's too flat, has too few trees and those it does have are stunted little dwarves.

I like green better than brown.


Ever been to Brookhaven Finn?



Brookhaven, Texas? No, why?
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 08:03 am
The plot does indeed thicken ... just today, I found a mug in the cupboard of the little kitchen on this floor that says, "Lefties ... are the ones in their right mind".

See!?!?

We're coming to get you.

(I'll ask someone about that check, Set)

D'artagnan wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Thanks, Fellow Traveler . . . the plot thickens . . .

(Pssst . . . are we gonna get paid for any of this?)


(Haven't you gotten your check from George Soros yet?)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 08:13 am
Thanks, i could use the cash right now . . .
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 11:10 am
In another section of Nicholas Kristof's column this weekend (an excerpt was posted earlier), he wonders if O'Reilly might be a liberal plant to discredit the conservative movement. Think about it: A thuggish blowhard who talks about locking up critics of the Bush war effort as traitors.

Could George Soros be behind O'Reilly as a way to discredit the right? Food for thought...
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:04 pm
That Soros joker, he's slick, ain't he . . .
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:07 pm
What do you get when you add...

the war on christmas
+
townhall
?

Quote:
... When it comes to pushing the multicultural, anti-Christian, agenda, you find Jewish judges, Jewish journalists, and the ACLU, at the forefront.

... But the dirty little secret in America is that anti-Semitism is no longer a problem in society; it's been replaced by a rampant anti-Christianity. For example, the hatred spewed towards George W. Bush has far less to do with his policies than it does with his religion. The Jews voice no concern when a Bill Clinton or a John Kerry makes a big production out of showing up at black Baptist churches or posing with Rev. Jesse Jackson because they understand that's just politics. They only object to politicians attending church for religious reasons.

... It is the ACLU, which is overwhelmingly Jewish in terms of membership and funding, that is leading the attack against Christianity in America.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/BurtPrelutsky/2005/12/08/178211.html

Would O'Reilly take money from that jew, soros?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:10 pm
Ah, a new Protocols of Zion . . . i guess it was long past time to tune up that old chestnut . . .
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:14 pm
<grimace>

If that article reads like that excerpt, please join me in sending them evil complaints.

That is outrageous.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:17 pm
You know what O'Reilly calls the ACLU? "The most dangerous organization in the U.S." I've heard this with my own ears.

Of course, Bill is too slick to play the Jew card. He doesn't have to...
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:20 pm
The author, weirdly, is Jewish himself.

Of course, most of those cheering on his words at the Freep site are not - though creditably, there are also enough even there who spoke up against his screed.

Remembering...

georgeob1 wrote:
Nimh,

The virulent anti-Semitism to which you are referring is much more a European phenomenon than an American one. You are projecting your vices on us and you are wrong.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:21 pm
I wish i'd have seen that bit of tripe from george at the time . . . sorry i missed that . . .
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:23 pm
Makes me kinda miss that guy. Almost...
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:26 pm
I never thought I'd live to see the day that Christmas would become a dirty word. You think it hasn't? Then why is it that people are being prevented from saying it in polite society for fear that it will offend?
Schools are being forced to replace "Christmas vacation" with "winter break" in their printed schedules. At Macy's, the word is verboten even though they've made untold millions of dollars from their sympathetic portrayal in the Christmas classic, "Miracle on 34th Street." Carols, even instrumental versions, are banned in certain places. A major postal delivery service has not only made their drivers doff their Santa caps, but ordered them not to decorate their trucks with Christmas wreaths.

True.

How is it, one well might ask, that in a Christian nation this is happening? And in case you find that designation objectionable, would you deny that India is a Hindu country, that Pakistan is Muslim, that Poland is Catholic? That doesn't mean those nations are theocracies. But when the overwhelming majority of a country's population is of one religion, and roughly 90% of Americans happen to be one sort of Christian or another, only a damn fool would deny the obvious.

True.

Although it seems a long time ago, it really wasn't, that people who came here from other places made every attempt to fit in. Assimilation wasn't a threat to anyone; it was what the Statue of Liberty represented. E pluribus unum, one out of many, was our motto. The world's melting pot was our nickname. It didn't mean that any group of people had to check their customs, culture or cuisine, at the door. It did mean that they, and especially their children, learned English, and that they learned to live and let live.

True.

That has changed, you may have noticed. And I blame my fellow Jews. When it comes to pushing the multicultural, anti-Christian, agenda, you find Jewish judges, Jewish journalists, and the ACLU, at the forefront.

Son of a bitch. Why single out Jews? To cause a new wave of anti-Semitism? Does he have the stats? IRRESPONSIBLE!! I don't care if he is a Jew.

Being Jewish, I should report, Christmas was never celebrated by my family. But what was there not to like about the holiday? To begin with, it provided a welcome two week break from school. The decorated trees were nice, the lights were beautiful, "It's a Wonderful Life" was a great movie, and some of the best Christmas songs were even written by Jews.

True.

But the dirty little secret in America is that anti-Semitism is no longer a problem in society; it's been replaced by a rampant anti-Christianity. For example, the hatred spewed towards George W. Bush has far less to do with his policies than it does with his religion. The Jews voice no concern when a Bill Clinton or a John Kerry makes a big production out of showing up at black Baptist churches or posing with Rev. Jesse Jackson because they understand that's just politics. They only object to politicians attending church for religious reasons.

True, but he's still an irresponsible asshole.

My fellow Jews, who often have the survival of Israel heading the list of their concerns when it comes to electing a president, only gave 26% of their vote to Bush, even though he is clearly the most pro-Israel president we've ever had in the Oval Office.

True, but beside the point. Pandering.

It is the ACLU, which is overwhelmingly Jewish in terms of membership and funding, that is leading the attack against Christianity in America. It is they who have conned far too many people into believing that the phrase "separation of church and state" actually exists somewhere in the Constitution.

If he wants to make that point, he should provide statistics.

You may have noticed, though, that the ACLU is highly selective when it comes to religious intolerance. The same group of self-righteous shysters who, at the drop of a "Merry Christmas" will slap you with an injunction, will fight for the right of an American Indian to ingest peyote and a devout Islamic woman to be veiled on her driver's license.

I agree, but the Jewish angle was unnecessary.

I happen to despise bullies and bigots. I hate them when they represent the majority, but no less when, like Jews in America, they represent an infinitesimal minority.

I am getting the idea that too many Jews won't be happy until they pull off their own version of the Spanish Inquisition, forcing Christians to either deny their faith and convert to agnosticism or suffer the consequences.

I should point out that many of these people abhor Judaism every bit as much as they do Christianity. They're the ones who behave as if atheism were a calling. They're the nutcakes who go berserk if anyone even says, "In God we trust" or mentions that the Declaration of Independence refers to a Creator with a capital "C." By this time, I'm only surprised that they haven't begun a campaign to do away with Sunday as a day of rest. After all, it's only for religious reasons - Christian reasons - that Sunday, and not Tuesday or Wednesday, is so designated.

This made me laugh. We have some here... You don't have to be a Jew, though.

This is a Christian nation, my friends. And all of us are fortunate it is one, and that so many Americans have seen fit to live up to the highest precepts of their religion. Speaking as a member of a minority group - and one of the smaller ones at that - I say it behooves those of us who don't accept Jesus Christ as our savior to show some gratitude to those who do, and to start respecting the values and traditions of the overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens, just as we keep insisting that they respect ours.

OK. I liked that.
Merry Christmas.
Happy Hanukah.

That smacked of anti-Semitism to me. What did other people think?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:28 pm
I think you are wonderfully self-deluded . . . and you misspelled Chanukah . . .
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:34 pm
I think this

Quote:
This is a Christian nation, my friends


is untrue. This is a Secular nation with no established religion; therefore it is a nation of all religions, and none.

As I pointed out in another thread, 'holidays' is a combined form of 'holy days.' Which is accurate, inclusive, and non-offensive; so why make such a big deal about it?

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:42 pm
Quote:
How is it, one well might ask, that in a Christian nation this is happening? And in case you find that designation objectionable, would you deny that India is a Hindu country

I suspect Indians generally would not appreciate the "Hindu nation" label, apart from BJP nationalists probably... wasn't India explicitly established as a political nation, even after the secession war with Pakistan?

The author is also (deliberately?) mixing up notions. "A Christian nation" goes well beyond "a Christian country".

You can designate a country by what its like, in majority - it's mountainous, warm, densely populated ... Hindu, ok, if you insist. Mostly. The "country" refers to the area, and what's all in it.

But "nation" has a much more portentous meaning. The nation is, in this age of nation-states, (still, just about) considered the entity that lays at the basis of the very existence of the state - the entity that is, so to say, entitled to it. It designates the community of the country's constituent people. So when you call people X "a Christian nation", you are implying that those who are not Christians, are not part of the nation - not a real part - and thus, also, are implicitly somehow less entitled to their equal place in the nation-state.

That is, anyway, the mist of what's been implied and insinuated with the "Christian nation" ideology in the last, bloody century. To use it now without qualification is highly dubious.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:44 pm
Setanta wrote:
. . . and you misspelled Chanukah . . .

Don't be silly, Setanta ...

Quote:
Hanukkah (חנכה ḥănukkāh, or חנוכה ḥănūkkāh) is a Jewish holiday, also known as the Festival of lights. Hanukkah is a Hebrew word meaning "dedication". (It also has other spellings in English, such as Chanukah, Hannukah, Hanukah, Chanuka, Chanukkah, Hanuka, Channukah, Hanukka, Hanaka, Haneka, Hanika and Khanukkah.)

(Wikipedia)
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:46 pm
Setanta wrote:
I think you are wonderfully self-deluded . . . . .

Going to leave it at the quippy personal comment, or would you care to explain what in my post qualifies for delusion?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:55 pm
Hell, Habibi, that's no fair--99% of the posts at this site are silly as hell, and usually the author is totally clueless . . . how come i don't get to be silly . . .
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 19 Dec, 2005 02:55 pm
Interesting what nimh said about the difference between "nation" and "country".

This is what my online dictionary says:


Main Entry: na·tion
Pronunciation: 'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English nacioun, from Middle French nation, from Latin nation-, natio birth, race, nation, from nasci to be born; akin to Latin gignere to beget -- more at KIN

1 a (1) : NATIONALITY5a (2) : a politically organized nationality (3) : a non-Jewish nationality <why do the nations conspire -- Psalms 2:1 (Revised Standard Version)> b : a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government c : a territorial division containing a body of people of one or more nationalities and usually characterized by relatively large size and independent status
2 archaic : GROUP, AGGREGATION
3 : a tribe or federation


Main Entry: 1coun·try
Pronunciation: 'k&n-tre
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural countries
Etymology: Middle English contree, from Old French contrée, from Medieval Latin contrata, from Latin contra against, on the opposite side
1 : an indefinite usually extended expanse of land : REGION
2 a : the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship b : a political state or nation or its territory
3 a : the people of a state or district : POPULACE b : JURY c : ELECTORATE2
4 : rural as distinguished from urban areas
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