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Will the anti-war crowd denounce this idiot?

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 01:47 pm
Lash wrote:
The person who wrote this--

I take it, by the way, that you ARE incapable of comprehending that one can be anti war and not pro murder of commanding officers?

--obviously posts before reading the relevant material. The anti-war professor DID suggest that US troops kill their commanding officers. You either support it, or you don't.

I shouldn't be surprised, though I am, at how many here do support it.


Now THERE, at last, is the absurdity of the "premise" of this whole thread taken to a point so utterly ridiculous that it seems to have entered some sort of Bizarro World.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 03:55 pm
From time to time Lash has trouble making logical connections, dlowan. I've re-read some of these posts and can find no instance of anyone supporting the suggestion that US troops kill their officers. A number of us have supported a person's right to express one's views, however unpalatable.

"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- Voltaire.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 04:29 pm
"The Fifth Vice-President of the 14,000-member National Association of Chiefs of Police, Jim Kouri, who resides in New Jersey, also e-mailed Professor Daly asking for an explanation of his mean-spirited, violent, anti-American diatribe. No reply has been received. Apparently, Professor Daly only gets tough with 19-year old girls. In addition, e-mails sent to the college president and dean of students met with silence. One suspects they're hiding under their desks like good little cut-and-run left-wingers."
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Mills75
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 06:06 pm
JustWonders wrote:
"The Fifth Vice-President of the 14,000-member National Association of Chiefs of Police, Jim Kouri, who resides in New Jersey, also e-mailed Professor Daly asking for an explanation of his mean-spirited, violent, anti-American diatribe. No reply has been received. Apparently, Professor Daly only gets tough with 19-year old girls. In addition, e-mails sent to the college president and dean of students met with silence. One suspects they're hiding under their desks like good little cut-and-run left-wingers."

Shovel the right-wing b.s. somewhere else--we're up to our chins in it here already.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 06:49 pm
Mills75 wrote:

Shovel the right-wing b.s. somewhere else--we're up to our chins in it here already.


If you hurry, you might just be able to squeeze into that "tolerance" seminar set up for the likes of Daly. (I think you could use it). Smile

And, if you have a problem with the paragraph I posted (and it appears you do), please take it up with Mr. Kouri.
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Mills75
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:02 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Mills75 wrote:

Shovel the right-wing b.s. somewhere else--we're up to our chins in it here already.


If you hurry, you might just be able to squeeze into that "tolerance" seminar set up for the likes of Daly. (I think you could use it). Smile

Why, do you feel threatened? :wink:

Quote:
And, if you have a problem with the paragraph I posted (and it appears you do), please take it up with Mr. Kouri.

And it was just as ridiculous in the article as it is copied and pasted here. Considering that Daly and the college administration were probably inundated with thousands of angry e-mails from irate conservatives, only an absolute idiot would expect a response.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:24 pm
dlowan wrote:
Lash wrote:
The person who wrote this--

I take it, by the way, that you ARE incapable of comprehending that one can be anti war and not pro murder of commanding officers?

--obviously posts before reading the relevant material. The anti-war professor DID suggest that US troops kill their commanding officers. You either support it, or you don't.

I shouldn't be surprised, though I am, at how many here do support it.


Now THERE, at last, is the absurdity of the "premise" of this whole thread taken to a point so utterly ridiculous that it seems to have entered some sort of Bizarro World.

Defending his right to suggest murdering military officers is the same as justifying the KKK's suggestion that blacks or Jews should be killed.

Do you support that, as well?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:29 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Mills75 wrote:

Shovel the right-wing b.s. somewhere else--we're up to our chins in it here already.


If you hurry, you might just be able to squeeze into that "tolerance" seminar set up for the likes of Daly. (I think you could use it). Smile


Mills75 wrote:
Why, do you feel threatened? :wink:


Do you think telling someone to "shovel" anything displays tolerance? Is this forum open only to what you want to read...or to what you think appropriate?

JustWonders wrote:
And, if you have a problem with the paragraph I posted (and it appears you do), please take it up with Mr. Kouri.


Mills75 wrote:
And it was just as ridiculous in the article as it is copied and pasted here. Considering that Daly and the college administration were probably inundated with thousands of angry e-mails from irate conservatives, only an absolute idiot would expect a response.


Nah. Daly cut and ran. He didn't even wait to be fired. He knew his out-of-control response was out of line. The student's email was sent to the entire faculty, not just to Daly. He kinda reminds me of Howard Dean (not exactly a role-model for self-control). Smile
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Mills75
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:31 pm
Lash wrote:

Defending his right to suggest murdering military officers is the same as justifying the KKK's suggestion that blacks or Jews should be killed.

Do you support that, as well?

Daly's suggestion that soldiers turn their rifles on their superior officers and fight for justice is not comparable to racist extremists' call for genocide. Indeed, within the context of Daly's e-mail he's suggesting that soldiers use their weapons to stop unjust killing.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:35 pm
Lash wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Lash wrote:
The person who wrote this--

I take it, by the way, that you ARE incapable of comprehending that one can be anti war and not pro murder of commanding officers?

--obviously posts before reading the relevant material. The anti-war professor DID suggest that US troops kill their commanding officers. You either support it, or you don't.

I shouldn't be surprised, though I am, at how many here do support it.


Now THERE, at last, is the absurdity of the "premise" of this whole thread taken to a point so utterly ridiculous that it seems to have entered some sort of Bizarro World.

Defending his right to suggest murdering military officers is the same as justifying the KKK's suggestion that blacks or Jews should be killed.

Do you support that, as well?



Especially for the hard of thinking.




You're a christian.



I heard a christian say a amean thing about jews today.


Will any of you christian types denounce anti-semitism? One of you said a bad thing about jews!


If you don't denounce it immediately, you are supporting it.

Lemme hear that denouncal, or you're antisemitic.

Pogrom supporters!!!

Funny how many of you support pogroms!

Ok, here's another.


Some of you people who eat are cannibals.


Which of you eaters isn't gonna denounce cannibalism, right now?

Come on!


CANNIBALS!!!! You support cannibalism!!!!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:38 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
From time to time Lash has trouble making logical connections, dlowan. I've re-read some of these posts and can find no instance of anyone supporting the suggestion that US troops kill their officers. A number of us have supported a person's right to express one's views, however unpalatable.

"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- Voltaire.




Yeah, I know.


Oh, you haven't denounced anti-semitism or cannibalism.


ANTI SEMITIC CANNIBAL!!!


Hey, this not bothering with any logic or reason is fun!


Sauna farter!!!!!!
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:46 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
From time to time Lash has trouble making logical connections, dlowan. I've re-read some of these posts and can find no instance of anyone supporting the suggestion that US troops kill their officers. A number of us have supported a person's right to express one's views, however unpalatable.

"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" -- Voltaire.


If you have read the professor's statement re freedom is when soldiers turn their guns on their commanding officers, it is you who fails to make a logical connection.

dlowan has ceased to make any sense. It has been quite a fiery downward trajectory. If I was asked as YOU were, in a thread like his one, to give my opinion on the Jew bashing Christian, I'd be glad to do so.

You were asked--and all you do is parrot the lame "he has a right to speak" bullshit. And, I ask you: Do the members of the KKK also have a right to call for murder of Jews and blacks? Are they judged the same--or do you make special rules for the side, who's calls to murder you approve of?
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Mills75
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 07:58 pm
JustWonders, thanks for proving my point just wonderfully. The exercise of my freedom of speech has been absolutely no hindrance to the exercise of your freedom of speech. The purpose of our freedom of speech is to foster vigorous debate; the offering of ideas, and the critique of ideas. If, however, you wish to exercise your freedom of speech, you must accept the risk that your speech will be criticized.

As for tolerance of other's speech--tolerance doesn't mean stating your opinion (even of the speech of others) in passive terms; if I think your speech amounts to little more than horse dung, I will say as much. Tolerance to other's speech means doing nothing to deprive them of their freedom of speech. Criticizing your speech is not depriving you of your freedom of speech. However, if I attempted to get you fired for your speech, then I would be attempting to deprive you of your freedom of speech and, thus, showing intolerance. It wasn't Daly who showed intolerance for right-wing ideology, but Beach and her right-wing organization who showed intolerance for his critique of their ideology.

I will agree that Daly "cut and ran." However, an adjunct professorship isn't worth fighting for. As I mentioned earlier, an adjunct faculty member of a college or university is, by definition, a temporary employee. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't even Daly's main job. He doesn't, however, remind me of Howard Dean, and we sorely need more Howard Deans.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:06 pm
Lash,
They are not going to answer you.
You know as well as I do that while its ok for the loony left to advocate the murder of Americans,while its ok for them to call every American soldier a terrorist,while its ok to root for the deaths of Americans (as long as they are conservatives),its not right for the klan or any group that they oppose to have the same rights.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:23 pm
Mills75 wrote:
JustWonders, thanks for proving my point just wonderfully. The exercise of my freedom of speech has been absolutely no hindrance to the exercise of your freedom of speech. The purpose of our freedom of speech is to foster vigorous debate; the offering of ideas, and the critique of ideas. If, however, you wish to exercise your freedom of speech, you must accept the risk that your speech will be criticized.

As for tolerance of other's speech--tolerance doesn't mean stating your opinion (even of the speech of others) in passive terms; if I think your speech amounts to little more than horse dung, I will say as much. Tolerance to other's speech means doing nothing to deprive them of their freedom of speech. Criticizing your speech is not depriving you of your freedom of speech. However, if I attempted to get you fired for your speech, then I would be attempting to deprive you of your freedom of speech and, thus, showing intolerance. It wasn't Daly who showed intolerance for right-wing ideology, but Beach and her right-wing organization who showed intolerance for his critique of their ideology.

I will agree that Daly "cut and ran." However, an adjunct professorship isn't worth fighting for. As I mentioned earlier, an adjunct faculty member of a college or university is, by definition, a temporary employee. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't even Daly's main job. He doesn't, however, remind me of Howard Dean, and we sorely need more Howard Deans.


Mills75 wrote:
The exercise of my freedom of speech has been absolutely no hindrance to the exercise of your freedom of speech.


No. You said "shovel the right-wing b.s. elsewhere". By doing so, you have shown yourself to be intolerant of the postings of others.

Mills75 wrote:
The purpose of our freedom of speech is to foster vigorous debate; the offering of ideas, and the critique of ideas. If, however, you wish to exercise your freedom of speech, you must accept the risk that your speech will be criticized.


Spare me the lecture on free speech. You weren't fostering vigorous debate, nor offering ideas, but merely ordering me to post elsewhere.

Mills75 wrote:
Tolerance to other's speech means doing nothing to deprive them of their freedom of speech.


Then you should take your own advice and refrain from telling others to "shovel it elsewhere". Not that I would listen to one as intolerant as you, but it would clearly be depriving me of my right to free speech. (You really could use that seminar).

As for the rest of your baloney, I'm neither interested, nor do I care about Daly's prospects for future employment. Anyone reading his email....carefully....would immediately realize he's unsuited for the profession (in which case he'll probably be hired immediately by one of the liberal Ivy-leagues LOL).
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:28 pm
MM--

Getting damn disgustingly predictable, aren't they?

I've been finding interesting information about this fragging professor. I'm glad you brought it up.

___________________

College probes teacher who urged fragging by GIs
By Joyce Howard Price
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
November 20, 2005


A community college in northwestern New Jersey is investigating a part-time instructor who vowed to intimidate students who host conservative speakers at the school. The teacher also called for U.S. soldiers in Iraq to kill their superiors.
At issue is a personal e-mail written by John Daly, adjunct instructor in writing and developmental English at Warren County Community College in Washington, N.J. He sent it to a student after she asked him and other faculty members to announce that a veteran of the war in Iraq would appear at the school.
The student who made the request, freshman Rebecca Beach, is a member of Young America's Foundation, which describes itself as the principal campus outreach group for the conservative movement. The foundation sponsored the appearance by Army Lt. Col. Scott Rutter, a Medal of Honor recipient, at the college Thursday night.
Miss Beach said she was "very shocked" at the message she received from Mr. Daly. He told her he would ask students and others to boycott the event. He also charged that signs her group had posted about Col. Rutter's appearance "looked like fascist propaganda."
Mr. Daly also charged that "capitalism has killed many more people" than communism and that the "poor and working-class people" are recruited to "fight and die for Exxon and other corporations."
"I will continue to expose your right-wing, anti-people politics until groups like yours won't dare show their face on college campuses," Mr. Daly wrote.
He added: "Real freedom will come when [U.S.] soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors."
Miss Beach said she was appalled by the e-mail.
"His message was very hostile. I don't think his hostility and harassment are protected by the First Amendment."
On Friday, the local newspaper the Express-Times reported that Mr. Daly did not believe the college could investigate an e-mail he sent as a private communication.
Once again, he stood by his statements on the war in Iraq.
According to the newspaper, Mr. Daly said: "A lot of people are really upset about this main comment, my belief, and the belief of others, and the historical evidence that the war will end when soldiers turn around and fight for social justice here at home."
____________________

Notice he didn't think an e-mail could be investigated--and now that he discovers it has been made available to the public--he's trying to squirm out of it.

What has happened to the left in this country?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:39 pm
Mills, let's have a sane little exchange in the midst of the madness here.

Your sig line, is that from A Connecticutt Yankee . . . ?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:40 pm
LOL! He's a Ward Churchill-wannabe! I mostly tune those creeps out. It's either that or get out the wheel-barrow Smile
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:43 pm
Setanta wrote:
Mills, let's have a sane little exchange in the midst of the madness here.

Your sig line, is that from A Connecticutt Yankee . . . ?


I'm not Mills,but yes it is.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 27 Nov, 2005 08:44 pm
The clueless Miss Beach wrote:
Miss Beach said she was appalled by the e-mail.
"His message was very hostile. I don't think his hostility and harassment are protected by the First Amendment."


Oh yeah, right . . . this is what she ought to have written:

Miss Beach would have been more honest if she wrote:
"I don't think."
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