Will the anti-war crowd denounce this idiot?

But in seriousness, the past three decades and perhaps particularly the last decade has seen a concerted and productive effort to establish tightly organized activist groups such as the one's mysterman kindly linked us to. They are very well funded, and very well linked into other right groups, and ultimately into key strategy planners such as Rove.

The Dems are going to find 2006 and 2008 and further very tough, unless they manage to carry through with organizational discipline approaching what the other folks have set up.

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Blatham

blatham wrote:

But in seriousness, the past three decades and perhaps particularly the last decade has seen a concerted and productive effort to establish tightly organized activist groups such as the one's mysterman kindly linked us to. They are very well funded, and very well linked into other right groups, and ultimately into key strategy planners such as Rove.

The Dems are going to find 2006 and 2008 and further very tough, unless they manage to carry through with organizational discipline approaching what the other folks have set up.

Organized and disciplined, yes. But as vicious and nasty, no!

That will be hard for the Dems to do because they are not dominated by a radical wing of the party as afflicts the republican party. I still think the radical right will eventually split and wound the republican party. When that happens, either the radicals or the moderate republicans will establish a new party or merge with an existing third party. Right now, most moderate republicans have become independents or libertarians.

BBB

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blatham wrote:

The young lady referred to, Rebecca Beach, is (as the link shows) a member of these guys,and these guys,and these guys..

So the Hitler Youth wasn't disbanded after WWII....

Of course I jest...sort of.

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One down, the rest- to go--

School Officials Will Institute Tolerance Seminars for Leftist Professors

HERNDON, VA -Warren County Community College adjunct English professor, John Daly resigned last night before the school's board of trustees began an emergency meeting to discuss the professor's fate. On November 13, Daly sent an email to student Rebecca Beach vowing "to expose [her] right-wing, anti-people politics until groups like [Rebecca's] won't dare show their face on a college campus." In addition, Daly said that "Real freedom will come when soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors."

School President William Austin said that he will incorporate tolerance seminars for professors during the next faculty in-service day to shield students from this type of harassment, as requested by Rebecca Beach and Young America's Foundation.

Rebecca Beach has called for Austin to select Young America's Foundation President Ron Robinson as the one to teach leftists how to be tolerant toward conservatives. Robinson has dedicated his career to defending free speech on college campuses.

"More colleges and universities need to follow the lead of WCCC and integrate tolerance training for insensitive leftists," says Young America's Foundation Spokesman Jason Mattera. "John Daly is yet another Ward Churchill. Academia is filled with intolerant leftists who openly show hostility toward conservatism."

---an excerpt from the link.

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This was Rebecca's evil tactic that drew the anti-free speech, harrassment e-mail from the leftist professor:

Daly's email to Rebecca came after she sent a note to faculty announcing the appearance of decorated war hero Lt. Col. Scott Rutter to discuss America's accomplishments in Iraq.

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Can't have any of that on a college campus, huh?

Intolerance and suppression of free speech= tools of the left.

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"Shield students from harassment"?! She e-mailed him promoting her right-wing pro-war event and he responded critically--how the hell is that harassment? Wait, allow me to answer my own question--it isn't; it doesn't meet any known definition of 'harassment'. Only in the twisted minds of ultra-conservatives does 'critique' equal 'harassment'.

And the college president will institute 'tolerance' training so faculty will be more 'sensitive' to conservative students--what a tool.

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What he said was not criticism--it was a threat. Try to imagine--if you can--a conservative professor saying that to a liberal student.

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Oh ow, now we are reaching the check players' idea of 'threat'. It was rather tactless of the professor to use 'gun' in any form but considering that it involved a military person I guess the options narrowed.

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Lash wrote:

This was Rebecca's evil tactic that drew the anti-free speech, harrassment e-mail from the leftist professor:

Daly's email to Rebecca came after she sent a note to faculty announcing the appearance of decorated war hero Lt. Col. Scott Rutter to discuss America's accomplishments in Iraq.

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Can't have any of that on a college campus, huh?

Intolerance and suppression of free speech= tools of the left.

And, of course, the willfully obtuse will attempt to confuse the issue by rhetorical device--nobody has said Beach's use of e-mail was evil (though we are free to draw our own conclusions regarding support for an unjust war that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and U.S. soldiers who were committed there under false pretenses); she was exercising her freedom of speech. Daly did nothing whatsoever to hinder her freedom of speech. He did nothing more than critique her right-wing organization, the pro-war event she was promoting, and inform her that he would publicly critique her organization and the event she was promoting.

Only the victim-minded ultra-conservative sees "intolerance and suppression of free speech" on the part of Daly. He did nothing to hinder Beach's free speech. On the other hand, Beach and her right-wing organization worked to get Daly fired--a clear attempt to suppress his freedom of speech. We might also remember that Ward Church, who had done nothing to hinder the free speech of others, had to fight for his own freedom of speech.

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A college student invited faculty and students to hear a serviceman returning from Iraq. A faculty member returns e-mail and says he's going to make sure groups like hers can't show their face on campus???

I don't think you're thinking about the reality of what happened. There's no excuse for what the professor did or said to her. Obviously the college president understands the significance of it. It's hard to understand how anyone doesn't understand it.

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What he stated in his e-mail response was:

Quote:

I will continue to expose your right-wing, anti-people politics until groups like your won't dare show their face on a college campus.

This means, and it's unambiguous, that he will publicly reveal and criticize the political ideology she and her organization promotes until they are so unpopular as to be thoroughly unwelcome on college campuses. That's not a threat to do harm or hinder her freedom of speech. If one wishes to use the word 'threat', which would be a ridiculous and gratuitous use of the word, then we can only say that he 'threatened' to publicly criticize her and her right-wing group's political ideology.

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A professor hasn't the right to censure a student's harmless political activism in such a threatening manner.

It was inappropriate.

I can't IMAGINE the hue and cry had the politics of these two individuals been exchanged.

This is a young person getting this crap from an "authority figure". It is censorship and manipulation of the highest order--as the response from the school president shows.

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Lash wrote:

A college student invited faculty and students to hear a serviceman returning from Iraq.

Yeah, there are bits in this story that I don't get either. For example, why do you advertise such an event with a poster reading "Communism killed 100,000,000"?

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Lol! Exposing someone's anti people politics is a threat?

Only if they have anti people politics.

It DOES sound inappropriate in terms of its passion. I would hope to see academics be more temperate and polite. Sounds like the university concerned has taken appropriate action...shrugs. Certainly my cohort were exposed to ripe language like that from conservative academics, from time to time. I certainly was by a couple of English professors! I thought it inappropriate then, but didn't get my knickers in a special length of knot about it.

Calling it a threat is dumb.

Universities are about very intense cut and thrust of debate.

I would be interested in the history, though.

Is there a link to the emails in entirety somewhere here?

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Lash wrote:

A professor hasn't the right to censure a student's harmless political activism in such a threatening manner.

It was inappropriate.

I can't IMAGINE the hue and cry had the politics of these two individuals been exchanged.

This is a young person getting this crap from an "authority figure". It is censorship and manipulation of the highest order--as the response from the school president shows.

I realize that ultra-conservatives are very thin skinned, intolerant of having their views questioned or critiqued, and emotionally unstable when it comes to their politics. However, the professor did indeed have the right and, as a citizen of the United States, the duty to express his disagreement with the young woman's publicly promoted event and political views. The professor did nothing inappropriate unless one defines exercising the freedom of speech as inappropriate.

Had the politics of the individuals in question been switched, the professor in question would probably have attempted to actually hinder the student's freedom of speech rather than inform the student of his or her intent to publicly criticize the student's views and event. However, let's assume that the hypothetical conservative professor had replied to the e-mail of the hypothetical liberal student in a comparable manner; the response from the student and her group would most likely have been to create a counter argument and possibly call the professor out, but it's unlikely in the extreme that they would have tried to get him fired.

Calling Daly's response to the woman's e-mail censorship is just plain silly. The student and her organization aren't afraid of authority, they're afraid of reasoned public critique for which they have to reasoned public response.

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dlowan: The third link Mysteryman provided in his initial post takes you to an article with the entire e-mail message in it.

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Thankee!!!!

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Then, we see things differently, Mills. I don't think any professor of any political stripe should speak to any student in such a manner.

Even if it was the KKK, the prof should go through channels to shut down the organization--not speak in a threatening manner to the student. And, there was nothing wrong with Beach, her statement or her club.

An employer can't say anything they please to a subordinate--due to the subordinate feeling unduly pressured. A professor operates under the same constraints. College is for the education of the student--not the political activism and censorship by the professor.

This is just another huge difference most conservative people, I'm guessing, have with more liberalslanted types. I think it was incorrect on more than one level.

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Mills,
Whas it ok for the professor to advocate US servicemen murder their superiors?
Are you saying that is ok?

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You are words in the professor's mouth. He did not say 'murder'.

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Will the anti-war crowd denounce this idiot?

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