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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:48 pm
I made the point as most who get into the military and get sent to Iraq are poor and Democrats. Republican kids go to colleges or university and seldom volunteer for Iraq service. It is Democrats that bear the brunt of Global Warmer Bush's war for Iraq oil.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:51 pm
The 2,000th death is just important as the first.

Quote:
2,000: A bogus number, a bitter cause

By Michelle Malkin
Oct 26, 2005

Syndicated columnist

The anti-war Left couldn't wait for the death of the 2,000th soldier in Iraq. Peace activists have been gearing up for protests, vigils, and other events this week to mark the completely bogus milestone. Why 2,000? Was the 2nd or 555th or 1,678th death not as worth mourning as any other death with nice round numbers?

Cindy Sheehan barely contained her macabre lust for the spotlight in preparation for the artificially constructed, media-hyped occasion. "I'm going to go to Washington, D.C., and I'm going to give a speech at the White House, and after I do, I'm going to tie myself to the fence and refuse to leave until they agree to bring our troops home," Sheehan told a reporter last week as the death count neared her lottery number pick.

"And I'll probably get arrested, and when I get out, I'll go back and do the same thing," she vowed.

This time, Sheehan's public relations team would be wise to make sure she tries not to look like she's having so much fun. The carnival-like atmosphere that surrounded her arrest at the White House last month did little to convince military families that Sheehan and her pink lingerie-clad Bush-bashing brigade have the troops' best interest at heart.

Those "911 was an inside job" and "Castrate Cheney" signs didn't help much either.

U.S. Army Lt. Col. Steve Boylan, director of the force's combined press center, is pushing back against the inevitable media tide. He deserves our support. In an e-mail to the press that should be disseminated far and wide, he properly challenged the anti-war movement's number as a phony excuse to protest.

"I ask that when you report on the events, take a moment to think about the effects on the families and those serving in Iraq," Boylan wrote on Tuesday, according to the Associated Press (which has been among Sheehan's most ardent sycophants). "The 2,000 service members killed in Iraq supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom is not a milestone. It is an artificial mark on the wall set by individuals or groups with specific agendas and ulterior motives."

Indeed. These are people, remember, who liken Iraqi terrorists to America's Minutemen during the Revolutionary War.

Who oppose not only the war in Iraq, but also the invasion of Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks.

Who believe the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, Pentagon, and at Shanksville, Pa., were a Bush conspiracy with Israel and/or Saudi Arabia.

Who applaud when left-wing professor Ward Churchill gloats about "chickens coming home to roost" and suggests that the peace movement should support the fragging of American troops.

Who use the names and images of dead American soldiers against their families' wishes to propagate anti-Bush hatred.

Who believe Saddam Hussein should be freed and Guantanamo Bay emptied.

Who carry around banners that proclaim "WE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS WHEN THEY SHOOT THEIR OFFICERS."

Lt. Col. Boylan reminded the media that "the 2,000th Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or Marine that is killed in action is just as important as the first that died and will be just as important as the last to die in this war against terrorism and to ensure freedom for a people who have not known freedom in over two generations." He advised journalists to pay as much attention to the true milestones in the war -- including the momentous events of Iraqis voting, training for the police and security forces, and joining the new government.

"Celebrate the daily milestones, the accomplishments they have secured and look to the future of a free and democratic Iraq and to the day that all of our troops return home to the heroes welcome they deserve," Boylan urged.

For the "peace activists" who hate the president with far more energy than they could ever muster in genuine support of our troops, this simple request to appreciate the fruits of hard-fought freedom is too much to ask. And too much for them to bear.
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:53 pm
talk72000 wrote:
I made the point as most who get into the military and get sent to Iraq are poor and Democrats. Republican kids go to colleges or university and seldom volunteer for Iraq service. It is Democrats that bear the brunt of Global Warmer Bush's war for Iraq oil.


And you have statistics of course that will bear that out? Do you know that we have an all-volunteer military? Nobody goes unless they have volunteered to serve our country in the military.

One other point. Why is it the military personnel have historically voted republican? Does that not blow a hole in your theory about who is in the military? Or do the volunteers go into the military as democrats but are somehow changed into republicans once they are there? Just curious.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:54 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
The 2,000th death is just important as the first.

Agreed. One was too many....
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:55 pm
talk72000 wrote:
I made the point as most who get into the military and get sent to Iraq are poor and Democrats. Republican kids go to colleges or university and seldom volunteer for Iraq service. It is Democrats that bear the brunt of Global Warmer Bush's war for Iraq oil.


The United States has an all-volunteer fighting force. They all know when they enlist of the possibility they might get deployed to a combat zone.

I'm interested where you get your data that "most" servicemen/women are Democrats. Curious, because I believe most who are serving their country believe in their mission.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:56 pm
CoastalRat wrote:
Or do the volunteers go into the military as democrats but are somehow changed into republicans once they are there? Just curious.

Yep. Republicans got the military; Democrats got the universities. Wink
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:57 pm
Well, it is only fair we let you have the universities Drew. After all, we would not want to hog everything. Laughing
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 01:59 pm
It is the National Guards who tough out Iraq and most are Democrats. They are week-end warriors for homeland disasters and why are they going to Iraq?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:03 pm
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
We invaded Iraq for other reasons. we stayed in Iraq to ensure it did not fall into anarchy and to insure a free future for the country. You can differentiate between those two I assume.
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I seem to recall quite a bit of anarchy following the invasion. And it doesn't look good for a free Iraq, either. Quite a track record.


Really?

Perhaps you should stop reading from the sources you are and look elsewhere then. They have come a long way in a short time overcoming many, many obstacles placed in their way.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:04 pm
talk72000 wrote:
It is the National Guards who tough out Iraq and most are Democrats. They are week-end warriors for homeland disasters and why are they going to Iraq?


Perhaps you can find your answer here ...

http://www.goang.com/about/aboutang_history.aspx

http://www.arng.army.mil/About_Us/
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:05 pm
And you have proof that most of the soldiers in Iraq are National Guardsmen and that most National Guardsmen are democrats? Please back up these statements with some kind of proof, otherwise you are just blowing smoke and will not be taken very seriously.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:19 pm
The miltary is supposed to be non-political and I doubt there is any information on the political leanings of the Guards available from the DOD. But I am sure most of those sent are poor who joined the military for financial reasons.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:23 pm
According to this web site, the breakdown of casualties by military branch is as follows (each remaining branch has less than 1% of total). It appears the Regular Army and Marines account for the most casualties:

Code:U.S. Army 975 44.3%
U.S. Marine 495 22.5%
U.S. Army Nat. Guard 303 13.8%
U.S. Marine Reserve 85 3.9%
U.S. Army Reserve 78 3.5%
British Army 63 2.9%
U.S. Navy 30 1.4%


Note: This is a total of 2201 deaths, including all coalition partners.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:25 pm
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
We invaded Iraq for other reasons. we stayed in Iraq to ensure it did not fall into anarchy and to insure a free future for the country. You can differentiate between those two I assume.
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I seem to recall quite a bit of anarchy following the invasion. And it doesn't look good for a free Iraq, either. Quite a track record.


Really?

Perhaps you should stop reading from the sources you are and look elsewhere then. They have come a long way in a short time overcoming many, many obstacles placed in their way.

Really? I loved hearing on the radio about the sewer systems that are being put in. When do they start selling the "I pissed off America and all I got was this brand-new infrastructure" T-shirts?

Can't wait to see what Iraq's Supreme Court does with women's rights.

Good: Opposing a fundamentalist Islamic country that supports terrorism.
Bad: Giving Saddam Hussein weapons to do it.
Worse: One of the weapons was nerve gas.
Worst: He used it against his own people.

Good: Making sure Saddam Hussein does not have WMD.
Bad: Invading to do it.
Worse: Having to keep fighting after the war is "won."
Worst: Creating a fundamentalist Islamic country that supports terrorism.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:29 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Let me ask you something... would you sacrifice yourself so your children would be allowed to live free?

I would.



But you haven't sacrificed yourself. You're not in Iraq and you're not fighting for Iraqi freedom so that your children can be allowed to live free. You're one of those who applauds the cause so long as someone else is doing the dying.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:39 pm
Debra_Law wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Let me ask you something... would you sacrifice yourself so your children would be allowed to live free?

I would.



But you haven't sacrificed yourself. You're not in Iraq and you're not fighting for Iraqi freedom so that your children can be allowed to live free. You're one of those who applauds the cause so long as someone else is doing the dying.


I hope your logic in court isn't this retarded.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:42 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Let me ask you something... would you sacrifice yourself so your children would be allowed to live free?

I would.



But you haven't sacrificed yourself. You're not in Iraq and you're not fighting for Iraqi freedom so that your children can be allowed to live free. You're one of those who applauds the cause so long as someone else is doing the dying.


I hope your logic in court isn't this retarded.

Funny.

I said the same thing about you here, though.

I hope your retorts in real life are more pithy.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 02:57 pm
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
We invaded Iraq for other reasons. we stayed in Iraq to ensure it did not fall into anarchy and to insure a free future for the country. You can differentiate between those two I assume.
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I seem to recall quite a bit of anarchy following the invasion. And it doesn't look good for a free Iraq, either. Quite a track record.


Really?

Perhaps you should stop reading from the sources you are and look elsewhere then. They have come a long way in a short time overcoming many, many obstacles placed in their way.

Really? I loved hearing on the radio about the sewer systems that are being put in. When do they start selling the "I pissed off America and all I got was this brand-new infrastructure" T-shirts?

Can't wait to see what Iraq's Supreme Court does with women's rights.

Good: Opposing a fundamentalist Islamic country that supports terrorism.
Bad: Giving Saddam Hussein weapons to do it.
Worse: One of the weapons was nerve gas.
Worst: He used it against his own people.

Good: Making sure Saddam Hussein does not have WMD.
Bad: Invading to do it.
Worse: Having to keep fighting after the war is "won."
Worst: Creating a fundamentalist Islamic country that supports terrorism.



Exactly! Why are we assisting the newly-installed Iraqi government to form an religious-political Islamic regime? A religious-political Islamic regime = oppression (not freedom), extremism (violence and terrorism), jihadism (forcing Islamic religious-political ideology on the people of other countries through acts of violence, terrorism, suicide bombings).

See, e.g., Jihadism's roots in political Islam

And George Bush proclaims that we must honor our dead soldiers by creating more dead soldiers through an unending war to build a foundation of peace by spreading freedom? How Orwellian of Bush: War is Peace; Oppression is Freedom.

How stupid are we?
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:04 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Debra_Law wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Let me ask you something... would you sacrifice yourself so your children would be allowed to live free?

I would.



But you haven't sacrificed yourself. You're not in Iraq and you're not fighting for Iraqi freedom so that your children can be allowed to live free. You're one of those who applauds the cause so long as someone else is doing the dying.


I hope your logic in court isn't this retarded.


If my logic is "retarded," then tell us: Why HAVEN'T you sacrificed YOURSELF for Iraqi freedom? Why do you defend the deaths of our soldiers as a worthy cause when you're unwilling to place yourself in harm's way? Why do you say you would sacrifice yourself when your statement is obviously untrue?

Please enlighten the retards of the world with your amazing logic.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 26 Oct, 2005 03:46 pm
McGentrix wrote:
If you see 6 kids beating up a handicapped child, do you just sit and watch and wonder why the handicapped kid doesn't try to stop them?

I hope not. You intervene and help those that can't help themselves.

Many of you seem to be under the impression that Iraqi's enjoyed living under the tyranny Saddam provided and that they wanted it that way... The good old days, right?


Lol! I do not know why people have been letting you get away with this nonsense, McG.

Prolly as weary as I of ongoing pointless debate?


Anyhoo, if your thesis about why the US invaded Iraq were true, and your lot were so bent on protecting poor innocent oppressed folk, why are you not busy sacrificing your children for all the other oppressed folk?

Why has the US so often protected and aided unspeakable dictators and murderers of their people (as you did Hussein) and acted to kill or depose democratically elected leaders...in South America, Iran, the Congo etc?
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