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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:03 pm
Lash wrote:


Yes. I called terrorists towelheads. I've called them much worse. Some people communicated to me that they think that term alone is a catch-all insult for everyone of Arab ancestry. I made it quite clear to anyone who was actually interested in the truth, that that was not how I used the word, but as I said---people who want to see offense, will.

I also doubt Finn meant to include all Palestinians in his remark, though I am not speaking for him.

It irritates me that people no longer care what someone means by what they say--

I think towelhead is on par with honky. It's incredibly mild. Of course, that's my opinion.


... and therein is the rub, Lash. Merry Andrew questioned why he hadn't been called out on his bit of name calling, I suppose on this thread I've been one of those to call out, but I saw MA's post as one of teasing and taunting and not from the heart so I didn't bite. Generalizing terrorists as towelheads (remember how much we all wanted Timothy McVeigh to be an Arab?) and looters as blacks or 'negros' is the issue at hand. Looking at individuals and their actions vs looking at ethnicity, race, religion, ??? and generalizing has been the bane of trying to work past prejudice....

... even as I write this Lash and Momma A have brought another group into the fold. Now we have rednecks. Another bane of modern society, IMHO. I grew up amongst them, fought against them, moved away from them, and will fight against what they stand for as long as I am able....


argh!!!! Generalizing and categorizing drives me NUTS. I'm sure there are one or two redeeming qualities of rednecks, although at the moment none come jumping out at me. Narrow mindedness... nope, bigotry... nope, violence if provoked.... nope, OK, I'm open to ideas....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:04 pm
Nice coloured necks?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:05 pm
dlowan wrote:
Lol!!!!!!


yer a sad bastid sometimes.

Mostly when I nail your mangy hide to the wall.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:06 pm
Where does the term come from. BTW???


It gets used here - mainly for racists from the country - but I have no idea of its history.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:06 pm
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:06 pm
Lash wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Lol!!!!!!


yer a sad bastid sometimes.

Mostly when I nail your mangy hide to the wall.


Lol!!! Tanty time?
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:09 pm
dlowan wrote:
Nice coloured necks?


Smile Nope, angering the bull comes to mind
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:10 pm
Does anyone actually know where it came from?

It is the oddest term.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:15 pm
hehe, how many of us are doing a google search on redneck right now?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:17 pm
J_B wrote:
hehe, how many of us are doing a google search on redneck right now?

Not me! I live in Louisiana! Many, many rednecks here!
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:18 pm
Redneck:
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Etymology

The popular etymology says that the term derives from such individuals having a red neck caused by working outdoors in the sunlight over the course of their lifetime. The effect of decades of direct sunlight on the exposed skin of the back of the neck not only reddens fair skin, but renders it leathery and tough, and typically very wrinkled and spotted by late middle age. Another popular theory stems from the use of red bandanas tied around the neck to signify union affiliation during the violent clashes between United Mine Workers and owners between 1910 and 1920.

Some historians claim that the term redneck originated in 17th century Virginia, when indentured servants were sunburnt while tending plantation crops.

An alternative origin of the term comes from Scotland. In Scotland, the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant (a.k.a. Covenanters) signed documents stating that Scotland desired a Presbyterian Church Government, and rejected the Church of England as their official church.

Many of the Covenanters Signed these documents using their own blood, and many in the movement began wearing red pieces of cloth around their neck to signify their position to the public. They were referred to as Rednecks. Many of the early inhabitants of the US South were of Scottish Descent, and according to this theory, this term was applied to many of the southern Scottish immigrants early on, eventually changing into the term we know today.
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Stereotype
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Catherine Bach as Daisy Duke.

The stereotypical redneck lives in a trailer or old weatherbeaten farm house in a rural area, and drives an old, large, beat-up pickup truck, possibly adorned with the Confederate flag, with a gun rack in the rear window. He may wear a "Wifebeater" (slang, white sleeveless shirt), and/or a farmer t-shirt. He also wears blue jeans, a baseball or trucker hat. Rednecks like boot cut jeans, and the jeans of redneck men often have a permanent circle on the back-pocket from carrying a can of dipping tobacco, such as Skoal or Copenhagen. Their hair is worn in the mullet style, or in a military style haircut. He is also prone to swearing, perhaps not as much as the stereotypical Yankee, but more than other Southerners, Westerners, or Appalachians.

A redneck is stereotypically imagined as consuming mass produced American beer such as Budweiser or Miller by the case. Other beverages might include Moonshine, Pabst Blue Ribbon (in more traditional settings), as well as Jack Daniel's whiskey.

Stereotypical hobbies include hunting, fishing, riding 4-wheelers and snowmobiles, and watching professional wrestling, NASCAR, and monster truck rallies. Rednecks are characteristically fond of repairing car engines and collecting junked cars on their lawns.

Country and Southern Rock bands such as Lynyrd Skynyrd figure in as their preferred genre of music. Redneck men also listen to other Southern Rock and Metal such as the Allman Brothers, ZZ Top, Ted Nugent, Alice In Chains, Pantera, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Motörhead, Bad Company and Guns n' Roses.

Redneck females are generally portrayed as sexually attractive. "Daisy dukes" are a name for the extremely small shorts worn by Daisy Duke, on the wildly popular television program "The Dukes of Hazzard".

Rednecks are often portrayed as lacking education or being ignorant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck#Etymology
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:18 pm
J_B wrote:
Lash wrote:


Yes. I called terrorists towelheads. I've called them much worse. Some people communicated to me that they think that term alone is a catch-all insult for everyone of Arab ancestry. I made it quite clear to anyone who was actually interested in the truth, that that was not how I used the word, but as I said---people who want to see offense, will.

I also doubt Finn meant to include all Palestinians in his remark, though I am not speaking for him.

It irritates me that people no longer care what someone means by what they say--

I think towelhead is on par with honky. It's incredibly mild. Of course, that's my opinion.


... and therein is the rub, Lash. Merry Andrew questioned why he hadn't been called out on his bit of name calling, I suppose on this thread I've been one of those to call out, but I saw MA's post as one of teasing and taunting and not from the heart so I didn't bite. Generalizing terrorists as towelheads

I was in mid-tirade about terrorists--I used several unflattering words to describe them--towelheads was one. I was not suggesting that all "towelheads" were terrorists, but the terrorists in questions were called towelheads.
(remember how much we all wanted Timothy McVeigh to be an Arab?)
I have no idea why you may have wanted McVeigh to be an Arab. I certainly didn't.
and looters as blacks or 'negros' is the issue at hand.
If you think you have derived any portion of this comment from me, you made an error reading or understanding something. I thought nor said anything remotely like that. The same type of person--internally--not externally--would be the kind to take offense where there was none, and take an opportunity to go beserk. Why you ascribed that to black people, I couldn't say.

Looking at individuals and their actions vs looking at ethnicity, race, religion, ??? and generalizing has been the bane of trying to work past prejudice....
Then why did you do it to rednecks?

... even as I write this Lash and Momma A have brought another group into the fold. Now we have rednecks. Another bane of modern society, IMHO. I grew up amongst them, fought against them, moved away from them, and will fight against what they stand for as long as I am able....
Here.

argh!!!! Generalizing and categorizing drives me NUTS.
Then, why did you do it?
I'm sure there are one or two redeeming qualities of rednecks, although at the moment none come jumping out at me. Narrow mindedness... nope, bigotry... nope, violence if provoked.... nope, OK, I'm open to ideas....

At least they wait til they're provoked? (Trying to give you ideas...)
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:19 pm
I always thought Jeff Foxworthy came up with it! http://web4.ehost-services.com/el2ton1/laughingsmiley.gif
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:23 pm
Er, Setanta has discussed that here, when railing against Intrepid's use of the word.

Nouns and adjectives have this power - I didn't understand til his post the negative power of the word redneck.

I work, in my way, against bigotry, and so on but I am always learning to see it in myself too. I am not at all sure that folks who have red necks from working in the sun are any more bigoted than folks in tall buildings. Some descriptions do become trashbaskets, and questioning that is good I think.

Even white trash, one of the better sets of yoked words for condescension - I just know that is spelled incorrectly but I'm in quick reply - is one of those catchall phrases for the person saying it to feel good.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 09:26 pm
(Not directed at anyone in particular)

I knew the term originated with working outside and getting a red, sunburned neck. A rather noble life. Most of them are better people than most of us-- The stereotype is a small percentage--and the bigoted aspect of the stereotype, smaller still.

Anybody who thinks bigotry resides exclusively within that group is a fool.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 10:02 pm
Damn, I just lost a lovely green embedded within Lash's red within my black. OK, forget embedding.

Lash, in response to your response to my post above...

If you look at my post as a stream of consciousness, I caught myself in a stream of negative thinking and asked for ideas on how to turn that into a positive. If the bigots of the world could do the same - just catch themselves in negative thought and look for ways to stop - then we could make tremendous strides in how we inter-relate.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 10:12 pm
ossobuco wrote:
Er, Setanta has discussed that here, when railing against Intrepid's use of the word.


You either have a very good memory, or you are a student of ancient history. So Setanta and I had a discussion on this once. Do you feel a necessity to attach my name to the current discussion? Just curious. No ill intent.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 10:13 pm
...and it was all Christmassy, too.

Ah well.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 10:23 pm
... it could be!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2005 11:06 pm
Hmmm...sounds a very honourable history, though I think there is no longer any honour left in what is currently described by the term.


Words do that...change in what they convey...all the time.


Very interesting, thanks JB!
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