Atheists... Your life is pointless

@Lola,

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And I sure don't need an excuse to say yes either.

I didn't say, or imply, that you did my leetle chickadee but what if every lady took the same view?

To begin with it would then be nothing special and thus not worth mentioning.

And wouldn't it produce the sort of scenes which caused the Temple of Isis to be closed down?

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@Lola,

Would you not agree Lola that these activities are just that wee bit more exciting precisely because they are naughty.

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@izzythepush,

I think Mr Burroughs would have done well to consider the outcome in the event that everybody did mind their own business. He was after all from a family which owned a major American manufacturer of business equipment.

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@spendius,

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I didn't say, or imply, that you did my leetle chickadee but what if every lady took the same view?
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I can't see any problem if they did. There are better ways to regulate harmful behavior than the church, although, if people want to use it that way, there's nothing I can do to stop them. Still I won't hide behind religion, since I have no use for it anyway. But benign religion, and it's various rules is, I can see, sometimes helpful for those who find it difficult to own their own will; or just don't want to for whatever complicated reasons they have. If a person needs an excuse, and they don't mind or find it comforting or desirable, then I suppose religion is as good an excuse as any.

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To begin with it would then be nothing special and thus not worth mentioning. And wouldn't it produce the sort of scenes which caused the Temple of Isis to be closed down?

Have I mentioned to you lately, Spendi that you seem to have a rather low opinion of women and their ability to speak for themselves? If you don't like indiscriminate women, don't fraternize. I have never understood the idea that religion is necessary for morality. I can't for the life of me see why. But if it's sufficient, then OK, as long as it's not harming anyone.

Oh, btw, I meant to compliment you in my other post. Well done, as they say, on the alliteration.

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@spendius,

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Would you not agree Lola that these activities are just that wee bit more exciting precisely because they are naughty.

yes

Sex is well known for it's crowd appeal. PR and advertising have proved that point time and again. Still, I'm interested in more than just unsublimated sex. That is sex out right. Of course, I'm of the opinion, that sex underlies all activities. Sex and aggression are the motivators, I do believe.

As far as too many gods? The more the merrier, I always say. If a punch is potentially toxic, the more dilute, the better.

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@Lola,

How annoying this quote function is. Let's see............how does it work exactly?

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@Lola,

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@spendius,

Got a good laugh outa this.. when I finished reading your book on the subject.

Quote. Believing that one has won a silly argument is neither here nor there when all that is offered are absurd abstractions and a repetitive clunkety-clunk delivery of them. unquote He, he, he. :-- ))

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@MattDavis,

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I agree that it is narrow in that it doesn't differentiate amongst different types of theism or amongst different types of non-theism.

It's also quite rigid, I've known people go from 1-7 and back again in the course of an evening, and vice versa.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I think Mr Burroughs would have done well to consider the outcome in the event that everybody did mind their own business. He was after all from a family which owned a major American manufacturer of business equipment.

He might not have done so much heroin.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

tenderfoot wrote:
I didn't ask you agree with me -- Takes a snake oil salesperson to know one - as you say your the expert on old bible bollocks .. Also proves that your'e a no 1 in Dawkins scale.. and you don't deny this... seems you outdo me for Morons-manship

Anyone who thinks that only a tub thumping Bible basher would disagree with the ridiculous notion that Britain is about to be subject to Shariah Law is an idiot. I have no idea about what Dawkins' scale is, and I'm not interested in anything that particular bigot has to say about anything.

If someone lives in a fantasy world with ludicrous ideas about dark skinned people imposing their views on the rest of the country, those people should be treated with contempt. It's based on prejudice and hysteria, not reasoning.

You're a hysterical, ignorant bigot, and I'm not going to waste any more time on you. I've not got any time for morons, or bigots for that matter.

Thanks for that.... Takes a Hysterical, ignorant, moron.... to know one.

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There's no way to educate people who don't want to be educated. They didn't reason themselves into their position; they won't be reasoned out of it.

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@izzythepush,

Yes the weakness of such a tool is also the weakness of any label.
This is at the heart of human language, however.
Labeling.
Words are labels.
The weakness we have described.

The strength we have not described.
The strength of labels is their ability to encapsulate.
Labels allow us to "chunk" together something that in actuality is "composed" of many many attributes.
Labels allow communication without infinite regression down to the fundamental (whatever that may be?).
Without labels communication would be impossible (at least unless the fundamental is known).
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(I would contend) without something like labels 'consciousness' is also impossible.

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@FBM,

Can they be taught to reason without using reason?
It must be in some way possible.
After all unless we are born with it, how do we acquire it?

Something like this I attempted.

Non-acceptor of orthodox logic: http://able2know.org/topic/201438-4#post-5252283
Matt's first attempt: http://able2know.org/topic/201438-5#post-5252497
Matt's last attempt: http://able2know.org/topic/201438-10#post-5255144

My attempts were ultimately unsuccessful in this one case.
I will hold out on conclusions until more data has been collected. Wink

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@MattDavis,

I don't think anybody can be taught anything as long as they're unwilling to learn. First they gotta be willing at least to accept the theoretical possibility that they may be wrong. Otherwise, they'll just plug up their ears, change the subject, split hairs, make up special rules ad infinitum (and ad nauseum), etc.

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@FBM,

FBM wrote:

I don't think anybody can be taught anything as long as they're unwilling to learn. First they gotta be willing at least to accept the theoretical possibility that they may be wrong. Otherwise, they'll just plug up their ears, change the subject, split hairs, make up special rules ad infinitum (and ad nauseum), etc.

I am in complete agreement.

I think this gets back to the difficulties in "un-learning" something.
If truth is not taken to be merely provisional then there is no way to climb Wittgensteins ladder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children
I think some similarities could be fairly drawn between how religion often manifests,
and what would manifest if a "lie to children" was mistaken for an absolute truth.

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@MattDavis,

Wittgenstein's ladder. Thanks for teaching me that! I often need a short way to express that idea. Smile

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@FBM,

I take that as the highest of praise. Very Happy

Just don't forget, as in all knowledge.
What you have learned is only provisional.

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@MattDavis,

MattDavis wrote:

I take that as the highest of praise.
Just don't forget, as in all knowledge.
What you have learned is only provisional.

Including the bit about the provisional nature of what I've learned? Wink

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@FBM,

exactly

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