@Zardoz,
Let me start at the end of your comments, Zardoz.
Quote:Your attitude shows a typical attitude that religious cults should never be criticzied no matter what happened.
That does not logically follow from what I have said...and if my posts during the last 15 years are considered, I am one of the last in this forum to be charged as having "an attitude that religious cults should never be criticized no matter what happened."
Fact is, I often criticize them for a lot worse than this serious matter.
So you are fundamentally off-base regarding me...and my intentions in what I wrote.
Quote:I am the Catholic Church worst nightmare.
If it makes you feel good...or powerful to suppose that...fine. But I seriously doubt YOU are the Catholic Church's worst nightmare...and by a considerable margin.
Quote:Frank do you see any shades of gray in child molestation? If there is something black or white in our society it is child molestation. I for one cannot see any situation where molesting a child would be the right thing to do. Certainly an argument could be made for stealing if your children were starving to death but molesting never.
I am the Catholic Church worst nightmare. I am what they thought would happen if they could not keep all the child molesters safe and protected. By showing the general public that the religious façade is just something they put on like their vestments.
I try not to see any moral or ethical considerations in black and white, Zardoz…although this particular issue is a tough one. Anyone who truly “molests” a young person is reprehensible…and I have little problem with the strongest of penalties. But “molestation” has shades of meaning no matter how much you suggest that cannot be. There are those who suggest “sexual harassment” is black and white…but I can see times where there are gray areas. I have heard of instances where “sexual harassment” charges were shown to be problematic…and I have little doubts there are instances where “molestation” are problematic also.
In any case, I agree with your scorn of individuals like priests, teachers, or ministers who use their power over young people to satisfy sexual needs.
Your opinions about people who try to protect an institution do not ring the same bell with me. I am generally in agreement…but I also try to understand the people who do the protecting saying in their defense that if they didn’t some would come along to use the frailties of a relative few to tar the many.
That, Zardoz, is what I see you doing. Your zealotry seems TO ME to be motivated as much by hatred of the institution as from revulsion of the conduct.
I reaffirm my original comments:
You are painting with much too broad a brush…and you really need more than just black and white on your palette.
In this discussion, you are essentially traveling the road best not traveled. Ease back a bit…you might do the argument you are tying to make more good.