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Momma Angel wrote:

Ok, what about question about the Holy Spirit?

A man with holy blood? He was the Son of the Living God. I am sorry, but to me, it seems as you are diminishing Christ's significance.

It seems that way I can understand your thinking that but if you really think of it it made his sacrifice even harder...

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RexRed wrote:

I am sure yo do not want me to quote OT scriptures that talk of paganism and idolatry.

Idolatry is more than one God...

It is a serious (Christian) matter...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The words "before me" mean "in my face" or taking his "image" and worshiping it as God...

I know what idolatry means. And yes, it is a serious Christian matter. And yes, I understand you think that's what I do. Fine.

Of course it made His sacrifice harder. HE WAS WITHOUT SIN! He sacrificed for us, His Love For Us!

Now, what does John 3:16 mean to you?

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God was "in" Christ in will and purpose.

Is it morally right that a father pay for the sins of his children? No it would take another man to right the wrongs of Adam (a man)...

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John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This shows the great love of our God and the love that we now have within through the works of his dear son...

We know the love of God by this scripture. We now love others with this capacity to love...

For God so loved...

When we believe on Christ we receive this spiritual seed power and spirit is eternal... we are all sons of God...

1Jo 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon "us", that "we" should be called the son"s" of God: therefore the world knoweth "us" not, because it knew him not.

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RexRed wrote:

God was "in" Christ in will and purpose.

Is it morally right that a father pay for the sins of his children? No it would take another man to right the wrongs of Adam (a man)...

Hmmm. Seems to me that it is pretty clear.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

You keep throwing back verses at me but I am afraid your explanations of them are lacking something for me. You say just a little. I still don't really know what you believe except that it seems you don't feel Christ deserves the worship that I believe most Christians do.

Like I said, you throw verses back at me and your cryptic little sentences. How do you expect anyone to see your point of view if you won't fully discuss it?

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Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:
God was "in" Christ in will and purpose.

Is it morally right that a father pay for the sins of his children? No it would take another man to right the wrongs of Adam (a man)...

Hmmm. Seems to me that it is pretty clear.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

You keep throwing back verses at me but I am afraid your explanations of them are lacking something for me. You say just a little. I still don't really know what you believe except that it seems you don't feel Christ deserves the worship that I believe most Christians do.

Like I said, you throw verses back at me and your cryptic little sentences. How do you expect anyone to see your point of view if you won't fully discuss it?

I love the one true God, the creator of all... remember Christ was "created" too...
Christianity is a father with his children...
That cannot get more simple...
Nothing mysterious about that...

Ro 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature [creation] more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Col 1:15
Who is the "image" of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature(the new church):

Comment:
We are the "image" of God too... and so was Adam remember? That does not make Adam, us or Jesus "God"...

God "created" the image...

Do we worship the creation or the creator?

Again you need to divorce yourself from "religion", adhere to the scriptures simplicity.

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RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
RexRed wrote:
God was "in" Christ in will and purpose.

Is it morally right that a father pay for the sins of his children? No it would take another man to right the wrongs of Adam (a man)...

Hmmm. Seems to me that it is pretty clear.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

You keep throwing back verses at me but I am afraid your explanations of them are lacking something for me. You say just a little. I still don't really know what you believe except that it seems you don't feel Christ deserves the worship that I believe most Christians do.

Like I said, you throw verses back at me and your cryptic little sentences. How do you expect anyone to see your point of view if you won't fully discuss it?

I love the one true God, the creator of all... remember Christ was "created" too...
Christianity is a father with his children...
That cannot get more simple...
Nothing mysterious about that...

Ro 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature [creation] more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Col 1:15
Who is the "image" of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature(the new church):

Comment:
We are the "image" of God too... and so was Adam remember? That does not make Adam, us or Jesus "God"...

God "created" the image...

Do we worship the creation or the creator?

Again you need to divorce yourself from "religion", adhere to the scriptures simplicity.

Well, I can see you pay no attention whatsoever to what I ask you or post to you.

I am guessing you are a Jehovah's Witness. Now, if I am wrong in that assumption, I apologize.

I will tell you this Rex. There is a JW within these threads that I call a mentor. I do that because I can ask questions and get answers. I do not get accused of commiting idolatry and being told what I need to do. I would sit down all day and speak with that JW person because that person recognizes another person's rights to have their beliefs without being condemned because they do not agree with theirs.

I do not care to continue this discussion with you because it is going nowhere and I am learning nothing from you except that you appear to be rather intolerant to my beliefs.

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I am tolerant of your beliefs but I call it the way I see it...

So maybe it is you that cannot tolerate my beliefs...

I am willing to discuss this further but in little bits...

Also, I am not a JW and never have been... I just read the Bible and take it for what it says and I do not pay "religion" any mind...

I do not accept the trinity because the Bible does not teach it and it also warns of it's severe pitfalls.

I will not let any other person or thing take one moment of time from me and the one true God and father creator...

JW do have some form of the trinity. They believe in the preexistence of Christ... I believe he came "first" at his birth in Bethlehem...

Time to take the spiritualism out of the basic simplicity of Christianity...

Maybe the Christian world would not look so foolish to the unbelievers.

Peace with God

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How do you except the Christian world to not look foolish to non-believers when it seems that some Christians can't even agree to disagree?

And it's fine for you to believe what you believe. It is not fine, however; for YOU to accuse me or anyone else of anything. That is not your place. Judgement is God's and God's alone.

Since I can't get that across to you that is my reason for ending this discussion. If you would be willing to stop accusing me of something then perhaps I wouldn't mind discussing it further. But, non-believers don't like it when someone does it to them and frankly, Rex, I don't care for it either.

It's not a matter of who is the better Christian here. It's a matter of sharing our thoughts and feelings and beliefs to gain a better understanding of others. (IMO)

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Hi Rex,

May I ask you, who is this scripture referring to?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

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real life wrote:

Hi Rex,

May I ask you, who is this scripture referring to?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

This scripture is a bit mixed...

God precedes the beginning and he will never be last because his kingdom has no end...

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RexRed wrote:

real life wrote:
Hi Rex,

May I ask you, who is this scripture referring to?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

This scripture is a bit mixed...

God precedes the beginning and he will never be last because his kingdom has no end...

OK , so your conclusion... who do you think it is?

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real life wrote:

RexRed wrote:
real life wrote:
Hi Rex,

May I ask you, who is this scripture referring to?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

This scripture is a bit mixed...

God precedes the beginning and he will never be last because his kingdom has no end...

OK , so your conclusion... who do you think it is?

Hi Rex,

It's really not a trick question. I am very much interested to hear what you think.

We may not at this moment now agree, but since none of us "knows it all" I think it is fun and helpful to discuss.

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real life wrote:

RexRed wrote:
real life wrote:
Hi Rex,

May I ask you, who is this scripture referring to?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

This scripture is a bit mixed...

God precedes the beginning and he will never be last because his kingdom has no end...

OK , so your conclusion... who do you think it is?

If God is a self, if Jesus is the image of God, we are in the image of God and if the devil impersonates God then as I said it is a bit mixed...

Operate your spirit and the written word and the answers will appear...

To God be the glory...

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Real Life,

Do you have any idea what Rex means? I don't and I haven't been able to get him to explain it further.

Momma Angel

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Momma

If you really think about it revelations is addressed to a people that have no holy spirit...

The Christians have left the earth (second coming has already happened) and the world is in darkness...

So how could we possibly understand?

It goes back to law and love is no longer alive...

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Rex,

Do you not understand that during the seven year tribulation after the Rapture that those still here will have the chance to make the right choice? And the Second Coming has not happened yet. It happens in the end of the Seven Year Tribulation. What has happened at that time is the Rapture of the Church. The Bible says that many will enter the Kingdom of Heaven with their coattails on fire, which interpration says means that they made their decision late but not too late. The seven year tribulation is when the anti-christ will be on the earth and doing his darndest to rid the world of God and His Son Jesus Christ in the hearts of all.

And, just for a point of reference, it is the Book of Revelation, not Revelations.

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Momma Angel wrote:

Rex,

Do you not understand that during the seven year tribulation after the Rapture that those still here will have the chance to make the right choice? And the Second Coming has not happened yet. It happens in the end of the Seven Year Tribulation. What has happened at that time is the Rapture of the Church. The Bible says that many will enter the Kingdom of Heaven with their coattails on fire, which interpration says means that they made their decision late but not too late. The seven year tribulation is when the anti-christ will be on the earth and doing his darndest to rid the world of God and His Son Jesus Christ in the hearts of all.

And, just for a point of reference, it is the Book of Revelation, not Revelations.

I don't believe your terms are right...

But I am willing to listen...

The antichrist cannot rise in the midst of light...

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Then perhaps you could explain to me what the Mark of the Beast is all about and how no one will be able to buy or sell if they don't have it?

And, as I have said, once the Rapture happens, those left are those undecided and the anti-christ is loosed into the world to deceive many.

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After the rapture (I call gathering day) the world is returned to a "physical" existence and "law" and it is a continuation of the OT. (the law is held in abeyance as grace rules the world [the church]) They (after the gathering) will not find heaven but if they prevail they will find paradise of which we will be the light thereof, within the lamb (christ) of God.

Paradise is always a place on earth as heaven is another calling through christ by God...

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