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RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

I would have a problem changing it, yes. It was written the way it was written for a reason.

The God of this world that was being spoken of was the devil.

And Adam had no authority to give anyone dominion over anything. God gave Adam dominion over the land and animals and nothing else.

The trinity is a lie from hell? Where do you get that?

If God "GAVE" Adam dominion then it was Adam's to give...

The trinity is paganism and idolatry...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me...

I would say judging by your post that you do not understand the concept of the Holy trinity. It is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are all the same. Nothing is man's. Everything is God's. We are His creation. He is not ours.

I know the trinity... GOD the father GOD the son GOD the holy spirit equals 3 not 1... THAT is idolatry...

Let me state it to you this way then. I UNDERSTAND the concept of the trinity. They do not equal 3, they equal one. I have been accused of a lot of things in my life, but because I believe in the trinity I am an idolator? Would you care to tell me where you get this? I am a Christian. I do not practice idolatry.

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

I would have a problem changing it, yes. It was written the way it was written for a reason.

The God of this world that was being spoken of was the devil.

And Adam had no authority to give anyone dominion over anything. God gave Adam dominion over the land and animals and nothing else.

The trinity is a lie from hell? Where do you get that?

If God "GAVE" Adam dominion then it was Adam's to give...

The trinity is paganism and idolatry...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me...

I would say judging by your post that you do not understand the concept of the Holy trinity. It is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are all the same. Nothing is man's. Everything is God's. We are His creation. He is not ours.

I know the trinity... GOD the father GOD the son GOD the holy spirit equals 3 not 1... THAT is idolatry...

Let me state it to you this way then. I UNDERSTAND the concept of the trinity. They do not equal 3, they equal one. I have been accused of a lot of things in my life, but because I believe in the trinity I am an idolator? Would you care to tell me where you get this? I am a Christian. I do not practice idolatry.

3 equals 3 not 1...

1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Comment:
How can the son be coequal if in THE END if he is made subject unto the father?

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

I would have a problem changing it, yes. It was written the way it was written for a reason.

The God of this world that was being spoken of was the devil.

And Adam had no authority to give anyone dominion over anything. God gave Adam dominion over the land and animals and nothing else.

The trinity is a lie from hell? Where do you get that?

If God "GAVE" Adam dominion then it was Adam's to give...

The trinity is paganism and idolatry...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me...

I would say judging by your post that you do not understand the concept of the Holy trinity. It is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are all the same. Nothing is man's. Everything is God's. We are His creation. He is not ours.

I know the trinity... GOD the father GOD the son GOD the holy spirit equals 3 not 1... THAT is idolatry...

Let me state it to you this way then. I UNDERSTAND the concept of the trinity. They do not equal 3, they equal one. I have been accused of a lot of things in my life, but because I believe in the trinity I am an idolator? Would you care to tell me where you get this? I am a Christian. I do not practice idolatry.

3 equals 3 not 1...

1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Comment:
How can the son be coequal if in THE END if he is made subject unto the father?

See if this helps. If it doesn't I can give you verses.

Keep in mind that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture.

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

I would have a problem changing it, yes. It was written the way it was written for a reason.

The God of this world that was being spoken of was the devil.

And Adam had no authority to give anyone dominion over anything. God gave Adam dominion over the land and animals and nothing else.

The trinity is a lie from hell? Where do you get that?

If God "GAVE" Adam dominion then it was Adam's to give...

The trinity is paganism and idolatry...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me...

I would say judging by your post that you do not understand the concept of the Holy trinity. It is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are all the same. Nothing is man's. Everything is God's. We are His creation. He is not ours.

I know the trinity... GOD the father GOD the son GOD the holy spirit equals 3 not 1... THAT is idolatry...

Let me state it to you this way then. I UNDERSTAND the concept of the trinity. They do not equal 3, they equal one. I have been accused of a lot of things in my life, but because I believe in the trinity I am an idolator? Would you care to tell me where you get this? I am a Christian. I do not practice idolatry.

3 equals 3 not 1...

1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Comment:
How can the son be coequal if in THE END if he is made subject unto the father?

See if this helps. If it doesn't I can give you verses.

Keep in mind that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture.

...again how can they be coequal?

1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Comment: So Jesus was the son and husband of Mary? That is incest...

Some dead babylonian pagan monk is getting a chuckle...

Time to rethink things...

Remember what the devil tempted Eve with?

"Ye shall be as Gods..."

If he could get Eve to believe that he can still get misguided Christians to believe it too.

The antichrist will claim to be God and the doctrine of the trinity is what will make that claim believeable...

2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


1Jo 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

I would have a problem changing it, yes. It was written the way it was written for a reason.

The God of this world that was being spoken of was the devil.

And Adam had no authority to give anyone dominion over anything. God gave Adam dominion over the land and animals and nothing else.

The trinity is a lie from hell? Where do you get that?

If God "GAVE" Adam dominion then it was Adam's to give...

The trinity is paganism and idolatry...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me...

I would say judging by your post that you do not understand the concept of the Holy trinity. It is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are all the same. Nothing is man's. Everything is God's. We are His creation. He is not ours.

I know the trinity... GOD the father GOD the son GOD the holy spirit equals 3 not 1... THAT is idolatry...

Let me state it to you this way then. I UNDERSTAND the concept of the trinity. They do not equal 3, they equal one. I have been accused of a lot of things in my life, but because I believe in the trinity I am an idolator? Would you care to tell me where you get this? I am a Christian. I do not practice idolatry.

3 equals 3 not 1...

1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Comment:
How can the son be coequal if in THE END if he is made subject unto the father?

See if this helps. If it doesn't I can give you verses.

Keep in mind that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture.

...again how can they be coequal?

1Co 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Comment: So Jesus was the son and husband of Mary? That is incest...

Some dead babylonian pagan monk is getting a chuckle...

Time to rethink things...

Remember what the devil tempted Eve with?

"Ye shall be as Gods..."

If he could get Eve to believe that he can still get misguided Christians to believe it too.

The antichrist will claim to be God and the doctrine of the trinity is what will make that claim believable...

2Th 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


1Jo 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So is what you are trying to tell me that I am worshipping the anti-christ because I believe in the trinity?

Surely, you have got to be kidding. Guess you aren't going to tell me just what Christian religion it is that you follow?

On second thought, you don't really need to bother. I think I already know.

I have agreed to disagree with you. Is that not good enough?

Well, guess you answered my question. No, that's not good enough for you. No wonder Christians get a bad name. I can empathize with those that say their views are forced upon them. This is the kind of thing that turns people away from Christianity. This is the kind of thing Christ says we are not to do. He says if someone gets angry or does not accept what you have to say then you drop it.

So, one final time. I believe in the holy trinity. You do not. That's your perogative as it is mine. I agree to just disagree on this point.

Perhaps I do not know your ilk as you call it, true. I merely stated that from what you had posted I was making a guess.

And it is very important that you understand that your interpretation of something does not mean that it is the same as mine.

Momma Angel wrote:

Well, guess you answered my question. No, that's not good enough for you. No wonder Christians get a bad name. I can empathize with those that say their views are forced upon them. This is the kind of thing that turns people away from Christianity. This is the kind of thing Christ says we are not to do. He says if someone gets angry or does not accept what you have to say then you drop it.

So, one final time. I believe in the holy trinity. You do not. That's your perogative as it is mine. I agree to just disagree on this point.

Perhaps I do not know your ilk as you call it, true. I merely stated that from what you had posted I was making a guess.

And it is very important that you understand that your interpretation of something does not mean that it is the same as mine.

That also does not mean your interpretation is "right"... just because you decide to disagree and "drop it" does not necessarily intitle you to the luxury of truth...

I choose to hold my beliefs and "interpretations" up against the the spirit and try them in the furnace of truth till they are purified...

...again, To God be the Glory...

Peace with God...

RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:

Well, guess you answered my question. No, that's not good enough for you. No wonder Christians get a bad name. I can empathize with those that say their views are forced upon them. This is the kind of thing that turns people away from Christianity. This is the kind of thing Christ says we are not to do. He says if someone gets angry or does not accept what you have to say then you drop it.

So, one final time. I believe in the holy trinity. You do not. That's your perogative as it is mine. I agree to just disagree on this point.

Perhaps I do not know your ilk as you call it, true. I merely stated that from what you had posted I was making a guess.

And it is very important that you understand that your interpretation of something does not mean that it is the same as mine.

That also does not mean your interpretation is "right"... just because you decide to disagree and "drop it" does not necessarily intitle you to the luxury of truth...

I choose to hold my beliefs and "interpretations" up against the the spirit and try them in the furnace of truth till they are purified...

...again, To God be the Glory...

Peace with God...

Rex,

You just ask anyone that I have had conversations with in the religion forum. I don't back down from a single thing I believe in. And I never said that my interpretation was the right one, which seems to be what you are stating about your interpretation.

All I said was, is if you tell someone of the teachings of Christ and they get angry, disagree, etc., you are not supposed to tell them that they are wrong or call them idolators or whatever. You are to walk away peacefully and leave it in God's hands. God knows what the whole truth is. He and He alone judges us. All I am trying to get across to you is that if you keep telling someone they are wrong about what they believe then you just anger them and they feel that you are forcing your beliefs down their throats. That is not the way to teach Christianity to anyone. Doing the exact thing that most non-believers accuse Christians of doing is just adding fuel to their fire against Christ.

I admire you for sticking to what you believe in. That's the way it is supposed to be. I am just saying that when there is a disagreement in interpretation and there seems to be no giving on either side, it's best to agree to disagree on this point and move on.

When you see someone inadvertently stepping in front of a train are you gentle with them... do you say, "I don't want to hurt you." Or do you just yank them out of the way to save them? Why? Because you love...

RexReed Wrote:

Quote:

When you see someone inadvertently stepping in front of a train are you gentle with them... do you say, "I don't want to hurt you." Or do you just yank them out of the way to save them? Why? Because you love...

Rex, the thing is, I am not stepping in the path of any train here. I believe my salvation is already set. So, stop yanking me out of the way.

I understand your wanting for others to be saved. I wish for everyone to be saved, but you and I both know this is not the way it is.

There is nothing wrong with being firm in your beliefs and standing up for them. There is a problem with forcing it upon someone who doesn't want it. That is not what Jesus would do. In any instance where I am not sure of what to do I try to ask myself what would Jesus do?

In this instance, I think He would say that what He gave was given in love and now man's free will must decided what to accept. He would not continue on in the same vein.

So are you saying I am going to hell? Only one of us can be right?

Jeus Christ is not God...

Unlike you, you are the one that sounds overconfident I am willing to discuss the particulars and you just seem to just want to drop it...

And you may wonder, is "idolatry" is a speeding train that can have devastating consequences on one's salvation.