Questioner wrote:real life wrote:Questioner wrote:RexRed wrote:
There you go again... You would rather put your rights in the hands of people rather that leave them in the hands of divine providence. Do you really think it is a decision made/earned by people that makes us all equal? Would you let a law made by people stop you from exercising your God given rights to "liberty" and life?
If God were going to "give" us rights I'm sure he's powerful enough to do it without allowing thousands of soldiers to die in some bloody war. At least that's what I'd expect the "loving" god to do. I absolutely believe that it was man's decision that led to America being formed, not god's. And as such, I absolutely believe that we earned our own rights, not that some blood-thirsty god finally had his fill and decided to "grant" them to us.
The Founders of America did not hold your view. They believed that rights were God given and it was the duty of government to secure those rights. So blatantly obvious was this considered by them to be, that they termed it "self evident".
It was a trying time. Religions always flourish in times of great trial due to mankind's inability to cope with sudden death and other events deemed outside of it's control.
The fact that they deemed fit to pay hommage to the religious belief that gave them a warm, happy feeling during the brutal conflict holds no sway over my statement that our rights are man-earned, not god-granted.
Hi ?er,
Are you implying that their belief in this regard was not sincere, or that it was some type of 'foxhole' belief arrived at under stress?
Please.
The Founders were educated and well versed regarding the governmets of the world (both of their own time and those in the ancient world); and many of them were wealthy men who risked their lives, their wealth and their futures upon the beliefs that they penned in the Declaration.
They collectively stuck their finger in the eye of King George, one of the world's most powerful monarchs. by doing so.
Don't try to tell me they were mouthing some theoretical platitudes to give themselves a warm feeling and a little personal comfort.
No government has EVER been founded before or since that allowed such freedom and prosperity to flourish among the entire population, not just a select few.
The brilliance and veracity of their view, as borne out by experience, is the envy of the entire world.
Sorry. I'll take the Founders' view over yours any day.
