Under God With Liberty

Hello Momma, can you please tell me what, exactly, do you get from the above scripture? People do not see things the same and I can't go on some long tirade or paraphrase. God, as light, is within us, but so is darkness, or the negative. We have to learn, and not assume we know much of anything at all.

You know, Momma, this is not the safest place to talk about these things. Keep on helping people, not with words so much yet, as deed. You'll know what to do because you are trying.

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sunlover wrote:

Hello Momma, can you please tell me what, exactly, do you get from the above scripture? People do not see things the same and I can't go on some long tirade or paraphrase. God, as light, is within us, but so is darkness, or the negative. We have to learn, and not assume we know much of anything at all.

You know, Momma, this is not the safest place to talk about these things. Keep on helping people, not with words so much yet, as deed. You'll know what to do because you are trying.

What I get from that scripture? The Lord Jesus Christ is my savior. He is the son of God. No one gets to the father except through Jesus.

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RexRed wrote:

Momma,

1 plus 1 plus 1 equals three...

No mystery about that...

Please comment on that...

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

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real life wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Momma,

1 plus 1 plus 1 equals three...

No mystery about that...

Please comment on that...

1 x 1 x 1 = 1

Thank you Real Life!

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Hi Momma Angel,

I try to do my part.

The Bible teaches there is One God. The Bible does refer to Jesus Christ as God. (There are several quite lengthy discussions of this in at least two threads that I'm aware of.) In addition, the Holy Spirit is referred to as God, not as a 'force' or 'essence' of some nonpersonal variety.

That seems to be trinitarian enough for some and not nearly trinitarian enough for others, but I call 'em as I see 'em.

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Well, it certainly works for me and has been a blessing to me!

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Momma, would you be so kind as to tell me where the following scripture you quoted to me a few comments back is explained in the Bible?

"No one gets to the Father except through Jesus"

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sunlover wrote:

Momma, would you be so kind as to tell me where the following scripture you quoted to me a few comments back is explained in the Bible?

"No one gets to the Father except through Jesus"

No problem Sunlover. It is John 14:6:

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

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Debra_Law wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
I consider divine intervention to be like when someone prays for God to intervene and He does. That's an exercise of my free will asking Him for help.

And one nation under God? Oh yes, it's true. We are all under God. Some just choose not to believe it, but the whole world is under God, as He created us.

I saw April in the big brother house pray for God's intervention. She was kneeling by the toilet and crying. It was quite moving. Then she prayed to God to help her win the veto competition--she even stuck a religious object down her bra to inspire divine intervention. She lost and immediately grabbed the object from her bra, tossed it aside, and angrily retorted, "well that didn't do any good."

We are not praying to the "GOD OF LIBERTY" when we recite the pledge. We are pledging our allegiance to the FLAG of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. It is a nation that is incapable of undergoing division. (Well, the civil war was unsuccessful, so the chances of another civil war to divide the country are somewhat remote, but the people experience extreme division in our politics.) It is a nation "with liberty and justice for all." Well, not ALL. Apparently this is a nation for the religious people who believe we are "under God" and because they force a governmentally-sanctioned pledge honoring God on the non-religious.

Where's the liberty and justice for all? It is hypocritical for the people who pray to the "God of LIBERTY," to force the non-religious people to tolerate the imposition of religious beliefs into our national pledge.

The pledge does not say the God "of" liberty it says under God "with" liberty...

"under" government with LAW is worse... did you ever think of the alternative?

When government is not held accountable then they have no conscience. When government does not acknowledge that there is a power higher than themselves then they become a tyranny...

Democracy cannot exist unless it is under God with liberty...

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Momma Angel wrote:

sunlover wrote:
Momma, would you be so kind as to tell me where the following scripture you quoted to me a few comments back is explained in the Bible?

"No one gets to the Father except through Jesus"

No problem Sunlover. It is John 14:6:

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Jesus does not say, "no man cometh unto "me" except "through" me"...

Also, I quote ONLY the King James Bible...

He also did not say I am the "way(s)"...

There is one "way"...

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RexRed wrote:

Momma Angel wrote:
sunlover wrote:
Momma, would you be so kind as to tell me where the following scripture you quoted to me a few comments back is explained in the Bible?

"No one gets to the Father except through Jesus"

No problem Sunlover. It is John 14:6:

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Jesus does not say, "no man cometh unto "me" except "through" me"...

Also, I quote ONLY the King James Bible...

He also did not say I am the "way(s)"...

There is one "way"...

This is taken directly from the Kings James Bible:

John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And who said "way(s)"? That is not what I typed.

And John 14:7 goes onto say: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

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Joh 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 20:21
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

God sent Jesus and Jesus sent me... Does that "literally" make me God or Jesus? Because God sent Jesus does that make Jesus God?

If you are pagan then, yes... Christian no...

Ro 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

1Co 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1Ti 2:5 - Show Context
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Jas 2:19 - Show Context
Thou believest that there is one God

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And this is why I do not practice your form of Christianity. You point Christ out as "the man" when God Himself calls Christ His son. Now, God's son would be a "mere man?" I don't think so.

So, I guess John 14:6 and 7 mean nothing to you? Why, because Jesus said it?

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Momma Angel wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
sunlover wrote:
Momma, would you be so kind as to tell me where the following scripture you quoted to me a few comments back is explained in the Bible?

"No one gets to the Father except through Jesus"

No problem Sunlover. It is John 14:6:

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

Jesus does not say, "no man cometh unto "me" except "through" me"...

Also, I quote ONLY the King James Bible...

He also did not say I am the "way(s)"...

There is one "way"...

This is taken directly from the Kings James Bible:

John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And who said "way(s)"? That is not what I typed.

And John 14:7 goes onto say: If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

No, it doesn't get much clearer than that and that is the problem... that is unclear compared to the wealth of scriptures that warn of idolatry...

If you knew Adam's son "Seth" you could "know" much about Adam... The Bible says "Adam bore a son in his image and likeness"... Was Adam's son Adam?

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Momma Angel wrote:

And this is why I do not practice your form of Christianity. You point Christ out as "the man" when God Himself calls Christ His son. Now, God's son would be a "mere man?" I don't think so.

So, I guess John 14:6 and 7 mean nothing to you? Why, because Jesus said it?

You do not seem to recognize the power of a mere man with the power of the holy spirit ("image" of God) within and in operation...

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Rex, what is it with you and this idolatry thing? I point out in the Bible where God's son says you can't get to the Father without going through God's son and you talk of idolatry?

And, hey, you are the one that said you ONLY use the King James Version of the Bible. That's where that came from so, I don't know what to tell you.

And I already told you the Bible doesn't say the trinity, didn't I? You understand it differently than I do. That's the way it is. Your right and my right. Agree to disagree is the best we are going to get here I think.

RexReed Wrote:

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You do not seem to recognize the power of a mere man with the power of the holy spirit ("image" of God) within and in operation...

What the heck are you talking about? You are the one that points Christ out as a man. I point Him out as the Son of God and the way and the truth and the life. The Holy Spirit? Oh, so now you at least agree there is one of those? Hmmm. That's interesting. So, what is the Holy Spirit part of? God maybe?

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Rex,

I had to come back and ask you a question. You refer to Christ as "the man". In your opinion, did "this man" sin or not?

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Momma Angel wrote:

Rex,

I had to come back and ask you a question. You refer to Christ as "the man". In your opinion, did "this man" sin or not?

He did not sin because his blood was not from Mary and was "new" so he did not have the sin that is passed on in the blood from father to children originally from Adam...

Life is passed on like as with a rooster, a chickens egg will not grow without the life from the male rooster.

God impregnated the egg in Mary with "new" life but it was still "life" as in human life (the second Adam). But this new life in Jesus was not tainted by the original sin passed on in the blood of all humans.

He was tempted in all points but he also had the "grace" of God...

He had the holy spirit (dove) as we do so he was within the realm of a man.

body, soul (physical [new] life) and spirit (spiritual life)

I have a body soul and spirit (by the works of Christ) too... so Jesus was a "man" with holy blood...

So yes Jesus was without sin...

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Ok, what about question about the Holy Spirit?

A man with holy blood? He was the Son of the Living God. I am sorry, but to me, it seems as you are diminishing Christ's significance.

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I am sure yo do not want me to quote OT scriptures that talk of paganism and idolatry.

Idolatry is more than one God...

It is a serious (Christian) matter...

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The words "before me" mean "in my face" or taking his "image" and worshiping it as God...

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